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Is there still a need for 200GB+ HDD?

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The first 200GB drive has been around for 2 years, while the 100GB drives are more than 3 years since theie arrival. There isnt much progress in terms of capacity in single drive HDD capacity despite the fact that areal density keeps some risings since then.

Is there still a future for gigantic single drives in near terms?

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What are you smoking and are you willing to share?

I'm on the far, far outlier in terms of home personal storage, but until I can get the entire contents of my local video store and my complete collection of CDs on at least my LAN, there is a need for more local storage.

320s aren't going to be big enough. 1TB disks probably won't either.

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There's a future, yes. The question is, is there enough of a future to offset the costs of developing the drives? While profit margins are usually better with the larger capacity drives in a family, they also cost more to develop and have a smaller market. Balancing between volume and profit/drive to maximize net profit is the key.

At this point, it's looking like the pendulum is swinging away from sheer capacity and towards acoustics, performance, and cost, and not necessarily in that order. Well, that's what it looks like to me. ;)

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What ever happened to more spindles being better? I agree with Mickey that large drives are an expensive and small market. Most people who are after larger capacities (1GB+) can deal with the added space/power requirements of a RAID/JBOD array. I currently have plans for a RAID 5 Fileserver using 120GB drives instead of 200GB ones (the price/GB is much more attractive) $125/$308 on www.newegg.com (~30% difference!)

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I remember when my cousin bought his first HD, a 5 meg full-height, $900 beast back in 1979. He said he didn't think he'd ever fill it up. I had the same feeling when I got my first drive (30MB), but when I added a 2nd drive (65MB), I thought I was king of the world with almost 100 total megs in my 286 "screamer". A few years later, I bought a 340MB drive and I really thought that was the end of my HD buying days. I again had the same feeling when I got a 1.6GB drive, a 6.4GB, an 18GB, a 30GB, a 60GB, a 120GB, then multiple 120GB drives. Now I know that no drive will ever be too big, even if I can't think of a use for all that space now, something will be invented that will eagerly make use of it.

As for 100GB drives being out for 3 years, I really don't think so. I believe the first 100GB drive that came out was the Maxtor DiamondMax 536DX, introduced in spring 2001 (not even 2 years yet). The first 200GB drive was WD's "drivezilla" in August 2002 (just 8 months ago, a far cry from 2 years).

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The first 200GB drive has been around for 2 years

What 2-year old drive is this?

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300GB should be enough for anybody.

No I'm not serious.

It's digital video and to a lesser degree digital audio that is likely to drive the storage business. Call me a skeptic, but is seems whenever a storage medium arrives that has more than enough space for anyone, computer users figure out how to fill it up. If I had 50TB of space, I'd fill it with lossless HD video and 96KHz 24 bit audio. As for software, games are shipped with increasingly large textures and increasingly space-hungry audio. My installation of Baldur's Gate 2 (+ exp) alone, a game several years old, takes 2.72GB of space.

Also consider that Windows never seems to want to clean out its temp files directories, and IE defaults to using 4% of disk space for web cache alone.

There was an even greater suspicion that large HDs would be unnecessary with the advent of optical media which were larger than the drives of the time--CDs. They have only increased the storage needs of computers. Both Microsoft and the Open Source movement provide increasingly bloated software--if it's there, might as well make it useful.

I don't believe disk manufacturers will have anything to worry about for some time, other than any of the 50 new storage methods that will surely replace disk drive technology by the year 2000.

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I don't believe disk manufacturers will have anything to worry about for some time, other than any of the 50 new storage methods that will surely replace disk drive technology by the year 2000.

I'm sorry, when?

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I don't believe disk manufacturers will have anything to worry about for some time, other than any of the 50 new storage methods that will surely replace disk drive technology by the year 2000.

I'm sorry, when?

Exactly... :)

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Eugene,

to answer your question, the Seagate 'Cuda 180 fist became available (in my books) in May '01 - I guess this is when you reviewed it :wink:

I feel 180 GB is close enough to qualify here.

Yéti

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I feel 180 GB is close enough to qualify here.

I dunno... I ruled it out not only due to its sub 200 GB capacity but also its 1.6" height.

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Is there still a future for gigantic single drives in near terms?

Here is a dir /a /s of one o my music dirs.

 Volume in drive G is New Volume
 Volume Serial Number is E0CC-18D9
 Directory of G:music
03/14/2003  01:27 PM    <DIR>          .
03/14/2003  01:27 PM    <DIR>          ..
03/05/2003  06:16 PM    <DIR>          311
03/11/2003  11:10 AM    <DIR>          Aerosmith
03/13/2003  05:05 PM    <DIR>          Alice_in_Chains
03/13/2003  05:06 PM    <DIR>          Alishas_Attic
01/20/2003  03:03 PM    <DIR>          allman_brothers_band
01/20/2003  03:04 PM    <DIR>          audioslave
01/20/2003  02:56 PM    <DIR>          A_Flock_of_Seaguls
03/05/2003  06:56 PM    <DIR>          Bangles
03/11/2003  11:16 AM    <DIR>          Bare_Naked_Ladies
01/20/2003  03:05 PM    <DIR>          Beastie_Boys
03/09/2003  12:31 PM    <DIR>          Beatles
01/20/2003  03:06 PM    <DIR>          Beck
01/20/2003  03:08 PM    <DIR>          Bee_Gees
03/02/2003  01:35 PM    <DIR>          Better_Than_Ezra
03/13/2003  06:34 PM    <DIR>          Big Bad Voodoo Daddy
01/20/2003  03:09 PM    <DIR>          billy_joel
01/20/2003  03:11 PM    <DIR>          black_crowes
02/18/2003  03:53 PM    <DIR>          Blind_Melon
01/20/2003  02:57 PM    <DIR>          Blink_182
01/20/2003  03:14 PM    <DIR>          blondie
03/09/2003  12:05 PM    <DIR>          Blue Oyster Cult
02/21/2003  03:54 AM    <DIR>          Blues_Traveler
03/09/2003  09:45 PM    <DIR>          blur
03/09/2003  12:14 PM    <DIR>          Bon_Jovi
02/26/2003  01:20 AM    <DIR>          Boston
01/20/2003  03:18 PM    <DIR>          brian_setzer_orchestra
03/09/2003  09:41 PM    <DIR>          bruce_springsteen
03/09/2003  12:05 PM    <DIR>          Bryan Adams
03/12/2003  04:27 AM    <DIR>          Buffalo Springfield
01/20/2003  03:19 PM    <DIR>          bush
03/09/2003  12:24 PM    <DIR>          B_52's
01/20/2003  03:19 PM    <DIR>          Cake
01/20/2003  03:20 PM    <DIR>          Candlebox
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03/09/2003  12:15 PM    <DIR>          Chaka_Khan
01/20/2003  02:54 PM    <DIR>          Chemical_Brothers
01/20/2003  03:22 PM    <DIR>          clash
03/09/2003  12:16 PM    <DIR>          Coldplay
01/20/2003  03:23 PM    <DIR>          Collective_Soul
02/21/2003  03:50 PM    <DIR>          Counting_Crows
01/20/2003  03:24 PM    <DIR>          cranberries
01/20/2003  03:24 PM    <DIR>          creedence_clearwater_revival
02/20/2003  04:50 PM    <DIR>          Curtis Mayfield
01/20/2003  03:24 PM    <DIR>          cyndi_lauper
01/20/2003  03:25 PM    <DIR>          dada
03/12/2003  01:45 AM    <DIR>          Dave_Matthews_Band
01/20/2003  03:25 PM    <DIR>          Dave_Matthews__Tim_Reynolds
01/20/2003  03:28 PM    <DIR>          david_bowie
03/02/2003  01:36 PM    <DIR>          Def_Leppard
01/20/2003  03:29 PM    <DIR>          Dinosaur_Jr
02/17/2003  03:09 AM    <DIR>          dixie_chicks
01/20/2003  03:30 PM    <DIR>          Donald_Fagen
01/20/2003  03:31 PM    <DIR>          doobie_brothers
01/20/2003  03:32 PM    <DIR>          Doors
01/20/2003  03:34 PM    <DIR>          elton_john
03/13/2003  05:22 PM    <DIR>          elvis_costello
02/19/2003  09:10 AM    <DIR>          Elvis_Presley
01/20/2003  03:35 PM    <DIR>          encomium
03/03/2003  08:57 PM    <DIR>          Faith no more
01/20/2003  03:35 PM    <DIR>          Fishbone
03/03/2003  08:54 PM    <DIR>          Flaming_Lips
03/05/2003  06:50 PM    <DIR>          Flecktones
01/20/2003  02:59 PM    <DIR>          Fleetwood_Mac
01/20/2003  03:36 PM    <DIR>          flogging_molly
01/20/2003  03:37 PM    <DIR>          Foo_Fighters
02/20/2003  04:25 PM    <DIR>          Foreigner
01/20/2003  03:37 PM    <DIR>          Fuel
01/20/2003  03:38 PM    <DIR>          fugazi
03/10/2003  03:07 AM    <DIR>          Funkadelic
03/05/2003  06:51 PM    <DIR>          Garbage
02/27/2003  06:34 PM    <DIR>          Genesis
03/05/2003  06:53 PM    <DIR>          George_Michael
01/20/2003  03:38 PM    <DIR>          Gin_Blossoms
01/20/2003  03:39 PM    <DIR>          goo_goo_dolls
01/20/2003  02:56 PM    <DIR>          Go_Go's
01/20/2003  03:41 PM    <DIR>          green_day
02/16/2003  08:38 PM    <DIR>          Hall_and_Oats
01/20/2003  03:41 PM    <DIR>          hedwig_and_the_angry_inch
02/22/2003  04:39 PM    <DIR>          hole
02/26/2003  01:34 AM    <DIR>          Huey_Lewis
01/20/2003  03:42 PM    <DIR>          hum
01/20/2003  03:43 PM    <DIR>          humble_pie
02/16/2003  08:50 PM    <DIR>          Husker_Du
01/20/2003  03:43 PM    <DIR>          indigo_girls
01/20/2003  02:57 PM    <DIR>          Isaac_Hayes
01/20/2003  03:44 PM    <DIR>          James_Gang
01/20/2003  03:45 PM    <DIR>          james_taylor
01/20/2003  03:45 PM    <DIR>          Janes_Addiction
01/20/2003  03:46 PM    <DIR>          janis_joplin
01/20/2003  03:47 PM    <DIR>          Jethro_Tull
01/20/2003  03:47 PM    <DIR>          jimi_hendrix
01/20/2003  03:47 PM    <DIR>          jimi_hendrix_experience
01/20/2003  03:48 PM    <DIR>          jimmi_page__the_bloack_crowes
01/20/2003  03:48 PM    <DIR>          jimmy_eat_world
01/20/2003  03:49 PM    <DIR>          jimmy_page__the_black_crowes
01/20/2003  02:54 PM    <DIR>          John_Lennon
03/02/2003  01:39 PM    <DIR>          journey
02/20/2003  04:51 PM    <DIR>          Judist_Priest
02/21/2003  03:11 AM    <DIR>          Kid_Rock
02/26/2003  01:31 AM    <DIR>          Led_Zeppelin
01/20/2003  02:57 PM    <DIR>          Lemonheads
01/20/2003  02:54 PM    <DIR>          Lenny_Kravitz
03/13/2003  06:35 PM    <DIR>          Limp_Bizkit
03/03/2003  08:48 PM    <DIR>          Linda_Ronstadt
02/21/2003  03:52 AM    <DIR>          Little_Feet
01/20/2003  03:54 PM    <DIR>          Live
03/09/2003  09:50 PM    <DIR>          LL_Cool_J
03/05/2003  06:53 PM    <DIR>          Madness
02/21/2003  03:31 PM    <DIR>          Madonna
01/20/2003  03:55 PM    <DIR>          mahavishnu_orchestra
03/09/2003  12:07 PM    <DIR>          Marvin Gaye
01/20/2003  03:55 PM    <DIR>          melissa_etheridge
01/20/2003  03:56 PM    <DIR>          Mighty_Mighty_Bosstones
02/22/2003  11:53 PM    <DIR>          Miles_Davis
02/27/2003  12:17 PM    <DIR>          Morris_Day
01/20/2003  03:57 PM    <DIR>          Mother_Love_Bone
01/20/2003  03:57 PM    <DIR>          motorhead
01/20/2003  03:58 PM    <DIR>          muffs
03/09/2003  09:39 PM    <DIR>          Natalie Merchant
01/20/2003  03:58 PM    <DIR>          neil_young_and_crazy_horse
01/20/2003  02:57 PM    <DIR>          Nickelback
03/09/2003  12:17 PM    <DIR>          Nine_Inch_Nails
03/05/2003  06:56 PM    <DIR>          Nirvana
03/13/2003  07:08 PM    <DIR>          Oasis
03/10/2003  03:04 AM    <DIR>          Offspring
01/20/2003  03:59 PM    <DIR>          Our_Lady_Peace
03/09/2003  09:49 PM    <DIR>          Pat_Benatar
03/11/2003  11:12 AM    <DIR>          Paul_Simon
01/20/2003  04:02 PM    <DIR>          Pearl_Jam
03/13/2003  05:07 PM    <DIR>          Phish
03/13/2003  05:23 PM    <DIR>          pink_floyd
01/20/2003  04:06 PM    <DIR>          Pixies
01/20/2003  04:10 PM    <DIR>          Poe
01/20/2003  04:12 PM    <DIR>          police
01/20/2003  04:12 PM    <DIR>          pretenders
01/20/2003  04:13 PM    <DIR>          Primus
03/09/2003  12:08 PM    <DIR>          Prince
01/20/2003  04:13 PM    <DIR>          Queens_of_the_Stone_Age
01/20/2003  04:14 PM    <DIR>          radiohead
01/20/2003  04:15 PM    <DIR>          Red_Hot_Chili_Peppers
03/11/2003  11:13 AM    <DIR>          REM
02/14/2003  05:38 PM    <DIR>          Rick_Springfield
03/09/2003  12:19 PM    <DIR>          Rod_Stewart_and_Faces
01/20/2003  04:20 PM    <DIR>          rush
01/20/2003  04:20 PM    <DIR>          shins
01/20/2003  04:20 PM    <DIR>          sinead_oconnor
01/20/2003  04:21 PM    <DIR>          Sly__the_Family_Stone
02/26/2003  01:29 AM    <DIR>          smashing_pumpkins
03/11/2003  11:14 AM    <DIR>          Smithereens
01/20/2003  02:53 PM    <DIR>          Smoking_Popes
01/20/2003  04:22 PM    <DIR>          Soul_Coughing
01/20/2003  04:25 PM    <DIR>          Soundgarden
01/20/2003  04:26 PM    <DIR>          spacehog
01/20/2003  04:26 PM    <DIR>          sparta
01/20/2003  04:26 PM    <DIR>          Spin_Doctors
03/03/2003  08:49 PM    <DIR>          Steve_Perry
01/20/2003  02:53 PM    <DIR>          Steve_Winwood
01/20/2003  04:27 PM    <DIR>          stevie_nicks
02/22/2003  11:55 PM    <DIR>          Stevie_Wonder
01/20/2003  04:28 PM    <DIR>          Stone_Temple_Pilots
01/20/2003  04:29 PM    <DIR>          strokes
01/20/2003  04:31 PM    <DIR>          Sublime
02/23/2003  05:08 AM    <DIR>          Talking_Heads
01/20/2003  04:31 PM    <DIR>          talk_show
02/16/2003  08:56 PM    <DIR>          Teenage Fan Club
01/20/2003  04:31 PM    <DIR>          the_las
01/20/2003  04:32 PM    <DIR>          the_the
01/20/2003  04:32 PM    <DIR>          The_Who
02/21/2003  03:15 AM    <DIR>          Thin Lizzy
01/20/2003  04:33 PM    <DIR>          toadies
01/20/2003  04:34 PM    <DIR>          Tom_Petty
01/20/2003  04:34 PM    <DIR>          tom_petty__the_heartbreakers
03/02/2003  01:40 PM    <DIR>          Tool
03/09/2003  12:20 PM    <DIR>          Tragically_Hip
02/20/2003  04:26 PM    <DIR>          Traveling_Wilburys
02/23/2003  12:00 AM    <DIR>          U2
03/11/2003  11:19 AM    <DIR>          Van_Halen
01/20/2003  04:37 PM    <DIR>          various_artists
01/20/2003  04:38 PM    <DIR>          velvet_underground
01/20/2003  03:00 PM    <DIR>          Verve
02/26/2003  01:34 AM    <DIR>          Violent_Femmes
03/13/2003  05:24 PM    <DIR>          Warren_Zevon
01/20/2003  03:02 PM    <DIR>          Weezer
03/14/2003  01:27 PM                 0 yo.txt
01/20/2003  02:55 PM    <DIR>          Young_Rascals
Yadda yadda yadda
Total Files Listed:
            4162 File(s) 114,788,891,485 bytes
            1403 Dir(s)  42,812,239,872 bytes free
[code]
That is 1/2 of my audio collection
Thank you for your time,
Frank Russo

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Total Files Listed:

            4162 File(s) 114,788,891,485 bytes

            1403 Dir(s)  42,812,239,872 bytes free

That is 1/2 of my audio collection



Thank you for your time,

Frank Russo

Do you store your music uncompressed, or using lossless compression (like Monkey)? I have around 6,400 MP3 files compressed with LAME using the second highest quality VBR mode (about 230Mbit/sec avg) and they use less than half the space of your 4,162 files.

[sivar@blackstar:~] df

Filesystem    Size   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on

/dev/ad0s1a    11G   6.7G   3.8G    64%    /

/dev/ad2s1e    45G    31G    11G    74%    /shares

procfs        4.1K   4.1K     0B   100%    /proc

The 45GB drive (ad2) stores the music.

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Well, there is certainly some needs for large number of file, but I just wonder how long would it take when I open the file explorer(or click on that nifty little + sign on the parent directory). I have some 200K+ files on one of the directory sitting on my 60GB drive(in many sub-dir), and it gives me a snoop when I click on the + sign. :)

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russofris,

Good taste in music. Put it online, gimme a couple weeks time and I'll download it all :wink:

I think the really big drives are only used by enthousiasts and marketing departments to say who's got the biggest one 8O Most OEM systems come with 40 GB'ish disks, multimedia/home OEM systems seem to be about 80 GB. Not even close to 200 GB and still more than sufficient for the huge majority of people. Only those who like to keep everything on disk (quite a number of people here it seems) or those too lazy to burn data on CD's (yours truly) will ever need those large capacities. I think 200 GB will serve the majority quite well for the next 2 or 3 years.

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Do you store your music uncompressed, or using lossless compression (like Monkey)? I have around 6,400 MP3 files compressed with LAME using the second highest quality VBR mode (about 230Mbit/sec avg) and they use less than half the space of your 4,162 files.

[sivar@blackstar:~] df

Filesystem    Size   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on

/dev/ad0s1a    11G   6.7G   3.8G    64%    /

/dev/ad2s1e    45G    31G    11G    74%    /shares

procfs        4.1K   4.1K     0B   100%    /proc

The 45GB drive (ad2) stores the music.

I have a mix of Monkeys, FLAC, and SHN. The FLAC collection was from when I ripped a couple hundred CD's while using linux, APE for my windows ripping, and SHN for my rare Beatles bootlegs (Beatleg trading circles use "Shorten"). I generally do not download music from the net.

Problem is that I have 200 GB of audio, pluse 200GB of rare digitized bootlegged concert footage of a number of bands. I'm totally out of space and my main machine has a half terrabyte of storage!!!

See ya,

Frank Russo

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Is there really a need for 200+ GB HDD for personal or home user?

Why dont u burn all the p0rn stuff ... pirated mp3 to CD or DVD?

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Is there really a need for 200+ GB HDD for personal or home user?

Yes, as I have shown above. 200GB drives allow you to avoid compormising quality (of audio, video, etc) and gives you more choices in terms of files that you want to keep.

Why dont u burn all the p0rn stuff ... pirated mp3 to CD or DVD?

Erm, I don't have any pirated MP3's... I don't have any MP3's period!!!! I ripped my own personal CD's, so why would I burn them? Copies?

The only "pirated" stuff that I have is my Beatleg. These are digital copies of rare acetate recordings from studio 6 and the Apple Core studios. I personally believe that these are more "kitch" than your standard kazaa traded limp-bizcut cuts.

pr0n? I'm a personally a variety guy, so videos that I DL from alt.binaries.multimedia.erotica are generally deleted by the time I'm limp. No embarassing files to be found by the GF. When I get another stiffie, I have a 3Mbit (350KB/sec) pipe to provide me with all the action I need as fast as I want it.

I hope that this clears up any confusion.

Thank you for your time,

Frank Russo

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Way TMI Frank  8O

He shouldn't have asked me so close to my last lip bitting session then.

*¿*

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Frank

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well i not only have mp3s, which in all honesty dont take up much space (1.33gb), but i also record music videos from dvds and from my digital tv card (currently 7.17gb). i have also archived a few of my dvd movies onto my hard disk that i watch alot (20gb). (i do this because i dont like it when i watch dvds from the disk, the dvd rom drive makes a very loud noise and since my pc is watercooled and virtually silent, the dvd spinning noise is very annoying.

the big hard disk space hog, is my PVR. i use my pc as a personal video recorder, recording digital tv straight to my hard disk. i not only record stuff while im away, but many times i record movies and shows that i leave on my hard disk for storage for indefinite periods of time. my tv recordings account for around 130GB - approx 2GBs/hour of video. i also record music videos which get archived to another partition on my hard disk.

without a doubt, i need more hard disk space. sometimes a program that i wanted to record hasnt recorded because i was out of hard disk space.

current hard disk space = 200gb

required hard disk space > 500gb ...for now.

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the big drives are for those that mess w/ multimedia mainly. Particularly when it comes to uncompressed material be it music or even worse video. that's why i have smaller drives right now. I store all my music on my 18 gig drive and have yet to fill that up as i haven't finished ripping all my CDs and what not. Like Russ, I don';t really like downloading music from the internet [tired of the glitchy blurps]. So i'd spend some time testing out each track anyway but if i do, it's to test the worthiness of an album. If it's worth it, i'd buy it. If not, I'll think about buying the single.. but then again the single isn't so cost effective these days. I also am going to have an 18 gig coming in just for games as I don't play that many games [but i play those games that i have frequently]. Hopefully I'll land a job sometime this week so i can actually afford all the CDs and games that i need. and in if it is needed more hard drives

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Way TMI Frank  8O

Now I am confused. :?: I don't know whho the TMI or the GF are - maybe some government agencies that watch over copyright infringements and/or pnorgraphy?

I am an atypicl user, having never purchased an audio CD or video DVD in my life. And yes, I don't have an MP3 player, DVD player or even a pair of loudspeakers in my home. Nevertheless, my 1.6 TB of drives are about 75% full. Fortunately many of you like the viedo, soi maybe there is some hope for larger futeure drive demandos.: D

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