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Note on these drives and possibly other Maxtor's:

My drive has been on for ~4 hrs since I opened the sealed from the factory antistatic bag, yet Aida32 shows the power on hours at 250.

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Mine's been on for 10-12 hours a day for the past 6 months and it still shows 252. Another I've had for about a month shows 253. One's a 200GB and the other a 250GB

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Mine's up to 342 now, with only 2 more hours on it. I wish I could deciper(sp?) Maxtor's power on time scale...

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Note on these drives and possibly other Maxtor's:

My drive has been on for ~4 hrs since I opened the sealed from the factory antistatic bag, yet Aida32 shows the power on hours at 250.

Confirmed by Maxtor, it counts in minutes, not hours.

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Note on these drives and possibly other Maxtor's:

My drive has been on for ~4 hrs since I opened the sealed from the factory antistatic bag, yet Aida32 shows the power on hours at 250.

Confirmed by Maxtor, it counts in minutes, not hours.

Thank you :)

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To get a better idea how to find out what version you are gonna buy...

Source: x-bit labs...

Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9: They Are Different!

Posted 2/03/03 at 9:16 pm by Anton

How to distinguish between the �old� and the �new� 6Y080L0 HDDs? Well, there are two main differences between them:

The new disks are flashed with new firmware: YAR41BW0, while all the 60GB platters-based HDDs our Nikita has seen were flashed with YAR41VW0.

The HDDs with newer firmware seem to be manufactured not earlier than in mid-December.

This is an interesting datapoint, I think. I just recently purchased a retail-box Maxtor DM+9 PATA 250GB "Ultra" 8MB cache IDE HD.

Maxtor 250GB PATA

Model: 6Y250P0

Firmware: YAR41BW0

Serial: Y6xxxxxx

According to that, it should be a three-platter, 80GB/platter, 6-head, FDB drive, and it appears to be. What is more interesting, at least to me, is that the firmware revision is identical to that mentioned in the quoted text, from early 2003. This drive's label shows that it was mfg'd in mid-April of 2004.

So Maxtor has made NO firmware revisions to these drives, in a year and a half? This seems strange to me, especially considering the trailing-edge performance of these drives, relative to the WD's and Hitachi's with similar platter densities and cache sizes.

The real reason that I'm posting this, though, is because of an apparent severe performance problem with my drive. Using HDTach 2.61 as a QnD benchmark, I get read STRs of 65MB/s to 20MB/s , but my write STR is a straight-line graph of only 20MB/s. WTF? This is on W2K SP2, AMD XP 1.67Ghz CPU, MSI KT4V-L mobo, drive is connected to a Promise Ultra100 TX2 on secondary IDE as Master.

I've never seen a straight-line write-transfer benchmark graph before, on any IDE HD, unless the interface was the bottleneck, and that should affect the read STR graphs identically as well. What the hell is going on here? If this is accurate, then I think I will attempt to sell/return this drive, I can't see how in the world Maxtor could produce a modern HD with such poor write performance like this. I'm hoping to find out that it is just some wierd software anomaly with HDTach 2.61. Any suggestions?

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I was recently able to compare a Maxtor DM9+ 200GB 6Y200M0 dated 4/21/04 with an identical one circa late summer '03 (both Y6 serials). The old one is YAR51BW0, while the new one is YAR51EW0, so it's odd that the ones you reference, with a wider range of dates, remain the same.

I wish I knew what the firmware change means in this case.

Not sure what to say about write numbers, but maybe try 2.7?

A note about these drives (at least mine): they run damn hot. Have good cooling, or on a warm day you'll pass 50C without trying. By comparison, my Maxtor DM9+ 160GB 6Y160P0 runs quite cool (typically 15C cooler!), and I think part of the reason for that is that the 160GB is a Y4, meaning two 80GB platters.

The three platters in the larger drives apparently make a large difference, at least in this case.

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Mine isn't hot, it's only warm. As long as it doesn't get as hot as a Medalist Pro, I think it'll be fine :)

D-Temp>36 Celsius :)

Mine is a 6Y060L0, so it probably has a 60gb platter, although it could have a destroked 80gb platter :unsure:

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J-frog, that makes sense, since it's a small drive with a single platter. It's a different story when you get three platters in there, which the larger DM9's need.

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J-frog, that makes sense, since it's a small drive with a single platter. It's a different story when you get three platters in there, which the larger DM9's need.

Hence why I usually try to get single platter drives.

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Three strikes and you're out, so the law goes in California.

With Maxtor's Diamond Max Plus 9 - 120 GB drive it is more like three clicks and it's dead.... after barely one year and a half !! How about that?

This is what happened while booting win2K last night.

As it was about to display its login window, all activitity suddenly ceased, three clicks were heard, the screen went black and the computer rebooted.

The next line said it all... Boot Device Failure.

Since then the computer will not even boot with the floppy as the first boot device unless one disconnects the hard drive physically. After unleashing the diagnostic utility I was given the Error Code 'de669171' clearly a double hex word with some interesting meaning to the Maxtor Crowd but gibberish to everyone else.

A phone call to Maxtor about a replacement of the drive and/or recovery of the data yielded the most polite equivalent of directions to a place where the sun don't shine I ever heard...

Despite the fact that the Maxtor web pages clearly state a 3 year warranty period for the Diamond Max Plus 9 series of 120 GB and higher, that apparently does not apply to my drive which was "manufactured" in Malaysia on Nov 21, 2002.

If it was an isolated incident I would leave it at that. But it isn't unfortunately. Last year my server's 60 GB Maxtor hard drive crapped out under the exact same circumstances; clicks and instant death. It seems like "the Click of Death" that besieged and nearly bankrupted Iomega several years ago is back again and doing much more damage this time around as a direct result of the much larger drive capacities.

And that is where I think the entire problem lies with Maxtor's high failure rate mentioned earlier in this thread. It is my hypothesis that they are producing one type of drive which if it passes all tests will be sold as a 200 GB drive but as others of the same "breed" fail more and more tests they will be downscaled 160 GB, 120 GB, 80 GB and 40 GB drives respectively and burned-in accordingly. So... The lower the capacity of the drive, the higher the chance of failure in the near future... The fact that the 40 gig drive failed in 8 months and the 120 Gb drive in a year and a half lends credence to this hypothesis. In military and aeronautics applications all these drives except the 200 GB drive would be rejects and trashed. But it is indeed very lucrative to pawn them off to the "consumer".

I am pretty sure most of the commercial manufacturers follow pretty much the same line but Maxtor towers over them all with their shocking failure rate, and, if the rotten attitude of their support department is anything to judge them by, this company is in deep, deep trouble. Rudeness and an abandonement of the customer are a sure sign of a company in dire straits.

Caith

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That's really awful. The warranty situation for many drive vendors is confusing and in flux, but Maxtor made that 3-year declaration you mentioned for this model of drive "purchased on or after May 12, 2003." The question is, what was it before that? Maxtor actually increased their warranty?! Note that you can get into their Support section and enter the drive's serial there just to double-check what they're saying. A loophole might be that the warranty kicks in from the date of purchase, not the date on the drive....

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You may be right, perhaps a test of the serial number would yield the final say on the matter. But ... I am not really after a replacement of this particular drive. To them any new drive is probably just $20 out of their pockets but to me sending this drive to them is tantamount to giving up on recovering the treasure of data on that drive. Most people don't realize it, nay, have no clue about the sheer size of what a 120 Gb actually represents save to say that just a few years ago one single 600 Mb CD was enough to house the entire Encyclopædia Britannica.

A 120 GB Hard Drive is equivalent to 400 CDs.

Many people fil such disks up with utter crap... movies and noise... That content hardly deserves the name "information", even if one can reduce it to bits and bytes. The type of data I lost was research and development, designs and programming that had just been ported over to that drive from a number of other sources to be archived. Alas, the drive died before that could be done and the other drives are no longer available. Maxtor';drives therefore can no longer be trusted to be data carriers because they simple don't carry the data long enough anymore.

Maxtor is unwilling to provide a service that they - of all people - should be best at, namely data recovery. They have all the facilities at their premises, don't they?

Or do they?

Perhaps there are no more clean rooms at Maxtor headquarters, or a productiuon facility or anything technical for that matter or God forbid; an R & D department?

For all we know all of that skill, technology and the entire production environment has been shipped out already in the never-ending corporate quest to finalize the destruction of America's industrial heartland by outsourcing everything under the sun... (look at the "made in..." label) to end up with only a service and helpdesk staffed by technical and social incompetents.

To such people I cannot and will not trust my data, even if the hard drive is irreparably broken.

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I've never seen a Maxtor drive made outside Singapore (or Japan for SCSI drives). Even though they're gonna make drives in China soon the only brand AFAIk that makes drives in Malaysia are Western Digital (which is moving to Thailand).

Caithelane:

NO HARD DRIVE MANUFACTURER warranties your data. It's up to you to back stuff up. The drive failing like you said might have had nothing to do with the manufacturer. Hard drives are fragile pieces of electronics and thus it is important for you to buy it from a reputable store which you know handles the drives carefully; if you bought it off eBay or somewhere else on the Internet you have no way of guaranteeing the integrity of the drives.

How old is your machine by the way? PSUs (especially generic ones) not generating the correct voltage can damage pieces of devices such as hard drives. There are endless numbers of reasons as to why your hard drive fails. If your drive was purchased in May 2003, it gets a 3 year warranty if its the 8MB version, or a 1 year warranty if its the 2MB version.

It's not unlikely for hard driives to fail after a few months or even be dead on arrival. You should ALWAYS have backups on hand. One hard drive failing after a year and a half doesn't show anything about the reliability. If you're complaining now, go talk to the thousands of people who lost their valuable information froma KNOWN FAULTY series (namely the IBM 75GXP); If you read back IBM was discovered to have known about the problem but decided to cover it up.

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Maxtor is unwilling to provide a service that they - of all people - should be best at, namely data recovery. They have all the facilities at their premises, don't they?

Or do they?

Perhaps there are no more clean rooms at Maxtor headquarters, or a productiuon facility or anything technical for that matter or God forbid; an R & D department?

No HDD firm provides data recovery service on their products. This requires specialized equipment and expertise that isn't practical to maintain, not to mention the logistics of tracking which chunk of data has to go back to which customer would be a nightmare. The tools and skills needed for data recovery are VERY different from those for building/designing a drive. I don't expect Toyota to excel at automotive maintenance, just how to design/build cars, for example.

R&D for the HDD industry is still primarily based in the US. The knowledgebase is here (for now). That usually includes any pilot line facilities, though Quantum made it work w/o any in the US (they would send engineering teams overseas to Japan for prototype builds, then send them and the drives back for further testing).

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Hmm,

I bought exactly same drive 6Y120P0 just two days ago :). Unfortunately, it is probably old version (firmware: YAR41VW0, mfg: 19.Nov.2002) and unfortunately it si louder than my old D740X 40GB (???), which I would not expect since the new drive should sport this fluid thing. I am probably giving up on that one to Seagate Barracuda V (ST3120024A). I need that drive for my home system, since now I used exclusively Maxtor (Diamond Max 60 Plus, D740X, even old Quantum was "maxtor like"), but now I feel like giving up some performance for the quietness. I would however not like to give up in terms of reliability.

Can anybode compare these two drivers?

..all are different from mine, which one do I own?

Kimmo

If you still have this drive the older of the 2 I'm looking for the heads out of one and would be willings to purchase for a fair $

Hmm,

I bought exactly same drive 6Y120P0 just two days ago :). Unfortunately, it is probably old version (firmware: YAR41VW0, mfg: 19.Nov.2002) and unfortunately it si louder than my old D740X 40GB (???), which I would not expect since the new drive should sport this fluid thing. I am probably giving up on that one to Seagate Barracuda V (ST3120024A). I need that drive for my home system, since now I used exclusively Maxtor (Diamond Max 60 Plus, D740X, even old Quantum was "maxtor like"), but now I feel like giving up some performance for the quietness. I would however not like to give up in terms of reliability.

Can anybode compare these two drivers?

..all are different from mine, which one do I own?

Kimmo

If you still have this drive the older of the 2 I'm looking for the heads out of one and would be willings to purchase for a fair $

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Genio - Welcome to SR!

You do know that a (hard drive) head transplant operation is extremely unlikely to succeed, without specialist equipment and a clean room, don't you? Swapping chips or the PCB, that's been known to succeed in the hands of an amateur, but if your heads are broken, your only realistic chance of getting the data back is a data recovery company.

If, however, you're just doing it because you relish the challenge and not because you need the data back, then I salute you!

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This isn't about the review itself, rather about the reliability survey - I own a pair of Maxtor DiamondMax 10's and for some reason my models don't appear in the model list for that type, but in the DiamondMax Plus 9 model list (of which I own another pair) instead. Could you lads please correct the model lists for those two types? :)

The models I have are 6B200P0 and 6L200P0 - also listed on Maxtor's site as DiamondMax 10.

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Bumping...

Well, being a little slow on the draw when it comes to current computer parts, I managed to get the wrong controller board for my Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 (6Y160P0) drive that fried its controller board a while back. I bought another drive and have confirmed that both physical drives are fine, but I need a controller card for one of them.

I went out and bought a board from eBay, thinking that all +9 drives that are 160 GB - ATA/133 - 8MB cache would be the same. Nope! Later drives have higher density platters and a different number of heads (as I found out in this very thread!). I have an earlier drive (firmware code YAR41VW0 -- note the V), and I bought the card for a later drive (YAR41BW0 -- note the B).

Apparently, as long as the board comes from a 6Y drive and has the same firmware version number, it will work on any size drive in Maxtor's range. I'd prefer the same thing I *tried* to get (8MB cache, ATA/133), but I'll certainly entertain any other possibilities (ATA/100, 2MB cache, etc.). I just don't see the point in junking a usable set of platters and heads, and it would not be cost-effective to have to buy ANOTHER controller card for it because of my mistake.

I guarantee the card I have is not DOA, and it actually spins up my drive and detects in Windows XP, but of course Windows can't read anything off of the drive with the wrong controller firmware.

I'd absolutely love a straight across trade with me covering postage for us both, but I'll entertain offers if someone wants to buy the card outright, or has the one I need to sell outright, or other offers (just don't insult my intelligence -- I understand I may not come out without spending any money, but we all know what the drive itself is worth these days, and I'm already $40 into this for the YAR41BW0 controller).

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Hi there,

I am an absolute amateur when it comes to tinkering with the hardware on my computer...

The controller board for my diamondmax plus 9 40GB ATA / 133 HDD (6y040L0)seems to have burned out.

My friend has a diamondmax plus 9 80GB ATA / 133 HDD (6Y080L0). Would I be able to use the controller board from his 80GB HD on my 40GB HD?

I just need to recover some of the files off my 40 GB... Please let me know ASAP...as my wife needs some files off that 40GB HD... and my butt is on the line...

Thanks a lot!

Bumping...

Well, being a little slow on the draw when it comes to current computer parts, I managed to get the wrong controller board for my Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 (6Y160P0) drive that fried its controller board a while back. I bought another drive and have confirmed that both physical drives are fine, but I need a controller card for one of them.

I went out and bought a board from eBay, thinking that all +9 drives that are 160 GB - ATA/133 - 8MB cache would be the same. Nope! Later drives have higher density platters and a different number of heads (as I found out in this very thread!). I have an earlier drive (firmware code YAR41VW0 -- note the V), and I bought the card for a later drive (YAR41BW0 -- note the B).

Apparently, as long as the board comes from a 6Y drive and has the same firmware version number, it will work on any size drive in Maxtor's range. I'd prefer the same thing I *tried* to get (8MB cache, ATA/133), but I'll certainly entertain any other possibilities (ATA/100, 2MB cache, etc.). I just don't see the point in junking a usable set of platters and heads, and it would not be cost-effective to have to buy ANOTHER controller card for it because of my mistake.

I guarantee the card I have is not DOA, and it actually spins up my drive and detects in Windows XP, but of course Windows can't read anything off of the drive with the wrong controller firmware.

I'd absolutely love a straight across trade with me covering postage for us both, but I'll entertain offers if someone wants to buy the card outright, or has the one I need to sell outright, or other offers (just don't insult my intelligence -- I understand I may not come out without spending any money, but we all know what the drive itself is worth these days, and I'm already $40 into this for the YAR41BW0 controller).

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