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Please find a new hobby, Trinton. If I wanted to discuss religion I'd still be posting to alt.atheism and talk.creation.

You're more than welcome to email me personally if you feel that you're getting something useful out of this discussion... but I'd far rather write about the business of porn online - a topic that actually interests me - and many others, as evidenced by the number of hits this thread has, than discuss your personal problems.

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In case you hadn't noticed, there is a fairly good chance this disucssion may do down in a week or two anyways, so griping over whether or not I post to it is a waste.

I will post what I wish on my religious views, where I wish, regardless of any such needling from closeminded jerkoffs such as yourself.

Number of hits on this thread? Minimal.

Don't bother messing with me... people in the past have seen and can attest to the fact that it is not worth the effort. If you don't like what I have to say, don't bother responding to it, just ignore it.

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You want to talk about the business aspects of the porn industry? FINE. You want to know what would make the most successful such business? One that feeds of the private desires of individuals who would rather not have their business known.

Such people want original content, that has depth, and is not a knockoff of some other site. They want to see people who enjoy their job. They don't want one picture of each person, they want to be able to feel they know each person to some degree.

As a described the various types of people you would need... there is only one which would fit the bill to make such a site: The person who is in the job because that's all they care about, and they want to seduce and deceive everyone they can. This type of person is very dangerous, and will get you for all you are worth.

Unless you yourself are a greedy, merciless, obnoxious, pig, without any morals and with no regard for the law, I doubt you could succeed in finding and managing the people needed to accomplish the job.

PS If you are truly here to talk serious about the porn business... you are wasting your time. If you are not here to talk serious, you are probably in need of some serious help.

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Hey, I'm interested in talking about the online porn business. Personally, I'm only an occasional appreciator of it, but I suspect that's mostly because I haven't found any I enjoy for more than a day or two. Plus, I have to hide it from my significant other. I honestly don't think she'd care, but there's just something in me that doesn't want her to know. Ah, oh well. I'm sure Trinton can tell me why. :wink:

Besides, the more we talk about this, the more likely it is that Trinton will continue to post. I've been absolutely LMAO at his ridiculous posts: a mixture of the teenager who knows everything and a religious fundamentalist who refuses to use logic and reason.

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In case you hadn't noticed, there is a fairly good chance this disucssion may do down in a week or two anyways, so griping over whether or not I post to it is a waste.

I will post what I wish on my religious views, where I wish, regardless of any such needling from closeminded jerkoffs such as yourself.

Number of hits on this thread? Minimal.

Don't bother messing with me... people in the past have seen and can attest to the fact that it is not worth the effort. If you don't like what I have to say, don't bother responding to it, just ignore it.

Closeminded? I think you need to look in the mirror. Mercutio is being quite rational and as helpful as possible. But sometimes kids don't listen. :(

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Yeah... I knew someone would complain about the closeminded part. I throw it out once in a while just to see if people will attempt to throw it back.

As helpful as possible? Uh... ok now... lets not go overboard...

Refuse logic and reason? That is a new one on me. Most people I know say I am the most logically analytical person they know, able to grasp complex lines of reasoning very easily.

Knows everything? Come now... I would say everyone comes off as being such more than they think. I don't think it is right to hold that against me.

I still cannot understand how you all can blithely ignore the moral implications of the conversation.

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Refuse logic and reason? That is a new one on me. Most people I know say I am the most logically analytical person they know, able to grasp complex lines of reasoning very easily.

It's my experience that fundamentalists tend to surround themselves with people who are like minded. I'm not at all surprised most people you know think you're very logical.

I still cannot understand how you all can blithely ignore the moral implications of the conversation.

What moral implications? Sorry, I'm a moral relativist. You have to help me understand what's so bad about this. Try to do it logically.

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Trinton Azaleth wrote:

Refuse logic and reason? That is a new one on me. Most people I know say I am the most logically analytical person they know, able to grasp complex lines of reasoning very easily. 

Can you grasp the fact that humans are not rational or logical? They like to watch others doing it. Get over yourself.

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I can easily grasp the fact that people in general are not rational, and do tend to submit themselves to their animal desires. They tend to enjoy sexual perversion and the like. It saddens me greatly.

By the way: The people who say I am brilliant, and extremely logical, are just people I meet.... not at Christian groups or anything. People in school... people at work... friends of friends.

I am still confused by why you all think I am so 'different' than you.

Moral Relitivism? WHoa... getting technical eh? This could be fun. :)

Ok, so you want me to explain to you why pornography is bad? Ok... lets see. I think I will share a personal story. Then we will let you decide what is right, and what is wrong.

When I was about 14, I had various friends... some of them girls... and most of them have had crushes on me at various times. I brushed most of them off. Kind of mean, I know, but I just chose to ignore their feelings towards me.

There was/is one girl I have and still do like. For the last five years, I have been attempting to get ahold of myself in such a fashion that I can be confident in the knowledge that I could be a loving faithful husband to her. I also wanted to get further along in college, and not get involved before I was able to support her in some way.

So, I have waited years, and I have never said anything to her. Now this girl has liked me a lot in the past... and things might have happened differently if she knew what I thought about her.

Suffice it to say, she has gone down a dark road in her life. She decided to live with a coworker, and moved to the other end of the united states. Eventually, over time, she dropped her job, and just became his live in girlfriend.

Now, she stays with him, and lets him happy fellow her whenever he wants, because he pays for her room and board. She doesn't really like him, and neither of them have any intention of marrying eachother.

Now, tell me this: Is it right for her to happy fellowing with this guy? I would willingly marry her, and protect her for the rest of her life... not because I want to have sex with her, but because I want what is best for her. How do you think that makes me feel? Is her sacrificing her values worth the cost?

It boils down to this: Pornography is wrong because it destroys the proper intimacy of marriage. It takes beauty, and throws it to the dogs. It destroys the one who indulges in it, and ruins the potential their lives could have had.

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First off, just cause this girl is getting a free ride (no pun intended) doesn't mean it's pornography, it's called intuative? If the guy is taking pictures and selling them, that's one thing. People are born naked, animals in the wild go nuts and don't care what is watching, people do it for money...so they make out on the deal, who cares.

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I wouldn't have sex with a girl before marriage, even if she paid me $1 million.

Why? If you are implying that this girl is marriage material, why would you make such a claim? What point are you trying to convey?

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Trinton, I don't know that there are any specific rules of conduct for SR's forums, but even in the midst of flamewars and frustrated ranting, the participants here normally don't use such language.

Personally, I like swearing. Almost as much as I enjoy dirty pictures <G>. But I also feel that SR is a better place for its members reserving the use of certain words for times when they are more appropriate.

Your friend's life didn't take a "dark turn" - she's living a perfectly normal life for a modern young adult. There's such a thing as casual sex, and - this may or may not have occured to you - women enjoy the physical act of sex, too. When I was in school I knew a number of young women in similar arrangements. Have you discussed your feelings with your friend? Does she reciprocate?

Back to porn...

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I wouldn't have sex with a girl before marriage, even if she paid me $1 million.

Frankly, I don't think I'd marry ANYONE who seriously offered me that kind of money for sex. But maybe that's just cynicism.

About your personal anecdote:

I feel very sorry for the poor girl who doesn't have the self-esteem (or whatever the issue is) to support herself and not accept such a living arrangement, but it has zero to do with porn.

You say it interferes with marriage. I know a married couple who happily share pornography with one another; they both have a certain appreciation for it. What's wrong with that?

Also, what about the case of those of us who might be single? I don't see the problem in that case.

IMHO: a good litmus test is: does it hurt anyone, or put someone at significant risk of being hurt? If the answer is no, then it's not bad. If a married couple enjoy porn together, than (again, IMHO), it isn't wrong. I'm sure there are circumstances where it IS wrong, but pornography itself is not wrong. It's all a matter of circumstances.

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Now, tell me this: Is it right for her to happy fellowing with this guy? I would willingly marry her, and protect her for the rest of her life... not because I want to have sex with her, but because I want what is best for her. How do you think that makes me feel? Is her sacrificing her values worth the cost?

By the way, Trinton, sometime we're going to have a talk about paternalism.

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Now, she stays with him, and lets him happy fellow her whenever he wants, because he pays for her room and board. She doesn't really like him, and neither of them have any intention of marrying eachother.

If she's doing this just for the free room and not because she likes the guy, then she's a prostitute. Thats her problem. Totally irrelevant to pornography unless the guy is taking photos.

Or she's very poor and for whatever reason cannot find another way to get by. In which case offer her a room.

I don't see what this has to do with anything. As long as all parties involved are happy and no one is being hurt then IMHO its not wrong.

Now if it is morally/ethically correct is up to the beliefs, religious or otherwise, of the person. Sure, if you don't want to don't watch it. But as I said above, if everyones happy with the deal then so what.

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What the ****? I can't believe that you could talk about all this ****, and then get pissed at using one ******* word in it's proper sense. That is ****** ridiculous. Give me a ****** break. Happy, you pathetic losers?

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Neither she, nor me, are happy with the situation. She only stays because she feels she owes it to him. I feel like I should save up 10k, hand it to him, and then tell her that her debts are paid.

All 3 of us are Christians... which in my opinion just makes matters more confusing. We all believe it is wrong, yet it continues.

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Happier. Not that has anything to do with posts to this thread. ;)

By the way, Trinton, you used that word twice. And proper use or no, there were plenty of other ways for you to make yourself understood. Certainly someone of your obvious moral upbringing can find virtue in restraint of language.

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You want to know the truth? I have never typed such a thing in a message board, or anywhere else for that matter, and I don't swear in reality, period. I still don't see why say **** instead of 'have sex' is wrong. This is a perfectly legitimate usage, out of a sea of bad uses. It accurately describes the subject matter, and attaches proper connotation.

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Yikes! As Mercutio said, please refrain from using profanity. I find it quite offensive and am not terribly Christian.

With your ego and ivory tower attitude, no wonder women run away. It may be best to let her move on, before your obsession escalates. If you are only interested in virgin "girls" rather than contemporary women who have experience in life, then your choices may be limited. Perhaps through a local congregation you can find someone to share your prurient interests.

Best of luck,

Eric

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Trinton,

How can you be upset at a girl you have known for years and is now shacking up with another guy, if you have never told her how you feel about her? You only have yourself to blame.

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I told her.... Which is besides the point. And the point of this isn't to talk about me. The point is that misuse of sexuality is destructive and in general, wrong.

And you have yet to demonstrate that pornography qualifies as the "misuse of sexuality."

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Uh, whatever. I am getting bored of this conversation. Don't all cheer at once though... Before I give up, I would like to say that I suppose you all think that masturbation is perfectly alright also, right? I don't... Just a comment...

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