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SSDs: WTH happenned in these 2 years? Still same capacity and prices

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The Sandforces have dropped quite a bit since their introduction in ~March here in Germany as well. They started at a little over 200€ for 50 GB, then went to 180€, went to 60 GB (same drive) and are now down to 130 - 140€. 40 GB is at ~100€, so slightly worse capacity/GB. Which is expected, since the cost for the controller, manufacturing etc. is independent from Flash cost.

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Scott,

I dont really understand what is it that you are fighting our arguing about?

Big deal it is not 2 years but 20 months. Kill me for not specifying exact nanoseconds to my purchase time. My Intel X25 Impressions thread is dated Mar-2009 and that was opened when I used the drive for a while. So my purchase time is end of 2008, very beginning of 2009. You are wrong with your 1 year assumption.

Because you were cherry-picking dates/times. The intel drive was WAY ahead of its time, which is great. But the reality is that 18 months ago that was the ONLY drive that was any good. And its about half price / 2x the size now than then. The title of this thread is a big exaggeration.

I could cherry-pick dates and times too.... In 18 months consumer SSD's got 4000x faster at random writes! (Sept 2008 to April 2010).

These things have been advancing by good chunks for the last 2 years and we are on the verge of another wave of capacity/price/performance improvements between now and late spring 2011.

Nobody disputed their usefullness from a laptop or server perspective. However, as far as a desktop user is concerned, as I laid out in the benchmarks, they are only good for people who don't do anything with their systems or use their systems as a CDROM replacement [Translation: 'they are good ONLY for average goon']. If you have something counter to say, just visit the relevant topic, try the tests and dispute relevant data. Otherwise, dont quote here to me your server or whatever use as a basis of evaluation. Internet is full of these, and it means jack-all-nothing when you use a SSD.

No, nothing in this thread convinces me of that at all. I completely disagree that they aren't good for desktop use. They ROCK for desktop use.

I store my bulk stuff on a big magnetic drive (I've got ~750GB of media, archives, backups from ages ago, etc). NONE of that stuff needs fast random access. I'm way more than the 'average goon' and all the stuff I use regularly fits in 80GB. I don't however use media creation software which is one way to require more space. I've also not been gaming as much the last couple years which would require some more space ... but there are two things about gamers: most are willing to upgrade to a larger size.

Every now and then I have to move something I no longer use into the 'archives'. Its totally worth it to spend $150 more on a SSD for your main apps and data than $150 more on a faster CPU.

Budget users are not so lucky though, you can build a budget PC for $550, but only if there is no SSD. The value segment of the market stinks. a 40GB drive does nothing other than boot fast and load email/browsers fast.

The SSD market is not strange, its in fact very predictable and easy to explain. The primary cost is the chips in the drives. This cost only goes down very slowly during a single manufacturing generation and then jumps down by almost a factor of two when the manufacturing generation changes. The performance depends on having a good controller that handles random writes well, and doing good wear leveling, etc. Additionally, the manufacturing space for these _competes_ with RAM and CPU, so if demand goes up for those, supply might be affected a bit.

So, like CPUs (and to a lesser extent, RAM) the market will evolve in big step functions more than the smooth changes that we see in spinning magnetic drives.

In short, I agree that the budget SSD segment sucks, but disagree with just about everything else.

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Indilinx drives have dropped prices dramatically in the last few weeks and Sandforce 40GB drives continue to rise in price.

Intel X25-V 40GB       ~$100   ~$2.50/GB
Crucial M225 64GB      ~$130   ~$2.03/GB
Corsair Nova 64GB      ~$136   ~$2.13/GB
Crucial C300 64GB      ~$155   ~$2.42/GB
Intel X25-M 80GB       ~$200   ~$2.50/GB
Crucial M225 128GB     ~$250   ~$1.95/GB
Corsair Nova 128GB     ~$256   ~$2.00/GB
Crucial C300 128GB     ~$276   ~$2.15/GB
Intel X25-M 160GB      ~$420   ~$2.63/GB
Crucial C300 256GB     ~$570   ~$2.23/GB

Corsair Force  40GB    ~$120   ~$3.00/GB
OCZ Vertex 2   40GB    ~$130   ~$3.25/GB
OCZ Agility 2 120GB    ~$265   ~$2.21/GB
OCZ Vertex 2 120GB     ~$285   ~$2.38/GB
Corsair Force 120GB    ~$290   ~$2.42/GB

You might find a retailer that is running a special but the price engine prices for sandforce 40gb drives are rising.

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Can you show me the similar graph for the Intel 160GB drive? How about the Crucial M225 64GB?

Not much has happened to the price of Intel G2, it seems to be the exception.

I can't show you Crucial M225 because it's not a common SSD in the Netherlands.

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Not much has happened to the price of Intel G2, it seems to be the exception.

I can't show you Crucial M225 because it's not a common SSD in the Netherlands.

It's a shame. I like the format of the price graph you did post. Having both a Min and Avg/Mean line over a stretch of several months is nice.

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The big problem with SSDs lies at the OS level, There is nothing yet for prioritizing what need to be on an SSD and what doesn't.

No matter your usage scenario. I'd say the need for fast random access is only true for about 10-40Gb maximum.

Samsung, intel/micron, toshiba & al. must already know this ! ... That there will never be a real consumer demand for a 500Gb SSD once the OSes get wiser.

It can also be done at the hardware level, within an hybrid drive, or special controller.

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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20101112133200_Intel_Slashes_Prices_on_Solid_State_Drives.html

X25-M G2 160GB down to $415... what was it before? It's a cut but doesn't seem like THAT big of a cut?

The 160GB is the one drive they give the performance boost to and commands both the price premium for capacity and performance. It's the 80GB and 120GB drives that are changing the pricing noticeably (and fwiw the xbit article made a mistake and listed it as 125GB instead of 120GB).

Pricing should settle out in a few days but I'm already seeing lowered prices today.

The quote below is from a post I made on another thread on SSD prices

November 2010 SSD pricing update:

The list sorted by Gross Price is:

Intel X25-V 40GB       ~$104   ~$2.60/GB
Crucial M225 64GB      ~$115    at Macconnection, EOL item.
Corsair Nova 64GB      ~$118   ~$1.84/GB
Crucial C300 64GB      ~$146   ~$2.28/GB
Samsung 470 64GB       ~$150   ~$2.34/GB
Intel X25-M 80GB       ~$179   ~$2.23/GB (reduced)
Corsair Nova 128GB     ~$220   ~$1.72/GB
Crucial M225 128GB     ~$229   ~$1.79/GB
Intel X25-M 120GB      ~$248   ~$2.07/GB (NEW!)
Crucial C300 128GB     ~$270   ~$2.11/GB
Samsung 470 128GB      ~$306   ~$2.39/GB
Intel X25-M 160GB      ~$438   ~$2.74/GB (minor reduction coming)
Crucial C300 256GB     ~$526   ~$2.05/GB

Standouts from that based price per/GB are

Corsair Nova 64GB ~$118 ~$1.84/GB

Corsair Nova 128GB ~$220 ~$1.72/GB

Crucial C300 256GB ~$526 ~$2.05/GB

I still don't recommend sandforce drives due to their behavior with compressed data and the lack of a manual trim utility for XP use (not to mention the compatibility issues).

Ironically I'm tossing Samsung in the mix with a new model based on how reliable their previous SSDs were. It remains to be seen if I'm right making that call.

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The 160GB is the one drive they give the performance boost to and commands both the price premium for capacity and performance. It's the 80GB and 120GB drives that are changing the pricing noticeably (and fwiw the xbit article made a mistake and listed it as 125GB instead of 120GB).

Pricing should settle out in a few days but I'm already seeing lowered prices today.

The quote below is from a post I made on another thread on SSD prices

fwiw in another thread I looked up the performance specs and the 120GB drive is just as fast as the 160GB.

Intel specs say

Sustained Sequential Write:

up to 35 MB/s (40 GB)

up to 70 MB/s (80 GB)

up to 100 MB/s (120 GB and 160 GB)

Sustained Sequential Read:

up to 170 MB/s (40 GB)

up to 250 MB/s (80 GB, 120 GB, and 160 GB)

and similar stories for

write latency

random IOPS

Intel X25-V 40GB ~$104

Intel X25-M 80GB ~$179

Intel X25-M 120GB ~$248

Intel X25-M 160GB ~$438

Since the 80GB version is now cheaper than two 40GB and

the 120GB version is even cheaper vs three 40GB or one 80GB plus a 40GB there is much less reason to stick with the 40GB drives now.

oh yeah source documents are

http://download.intel.com/design/flash/nand/322208.pdf Nov/09/2010

http://download.intel.com/pressroom/pdf ... tBrief.pdf Dec/15/2009

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fwiw in another thread I looked up the performance specs and the 120GB drive is just as fast as the 160GB.

Intel X25-V 40GB ~$104

Intel X25-M 80GB ~$179

Intel X25-M 120GB ~$248

Intel X25-M 160GB ~$438

Prices still dropping but looking to closer to stable now.

Intel X25-V 40GB ~$99 ~$2.48/GB

Intel X25-M 80GB ~$178 ~$2.23/GB

Intel X25-M 120GB ~$230 ~$1.92/GB

Intel X25-M 160GB ~$375 ~$2.34/GB

I didn't expect the 160GB drive to drop that much. Still the 120GB version is the best deal.

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