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Hmmm, is this another paper launch ? I want to see at least some benchmarks. I can also launch a PB drive in the next 100 years......

Oooh, is it SSD :) SSD is always the best when paper launched, why would everone do it otherwise?

I don't think Samsung historically have made the fastest drives exactly... IBM/Hitachi have on the other hand so my money will be on Hitachi (until the opposite has been proven and not purely for STR)

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Hmmm, is this another paper launch ? I want to see at least some benchmarks. I can also launch a PB drive in the next 100 years......

I don't think it's a paper launch. I'm pretty confident that we can see the first reviews in the net by the end of this week.

By the way, Samsung has officially announced shipping their TB drives:

http://www.samsung.com/us/Products/Semicon..._0000355451.asp

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Some shops/distributors list its real availability from June,30 and others expect it from July,5.

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I wish StorageReview will be able to post a comparison between new 1GB contests as soon as possible:

Hitachi 7k1000 vs Seagate 7200.11 vs Samsung F1

I am particullary interessted by the 500 GB variants:

Seagate ST3500320AS (2 platters, 4 heads) vs Samsung HD502LJ (2 platters, 3 heads?)

Interessting is also to see the environment spec: for the noise emission, Seagate has the 2 platters disks on one side and the 3 and 4 platters disk on the other side whereas Samsung makes 1 pl. vs 2/3.

-> with 2 platters, the Seagate should be quieter (2,5 Bel) than the Samsung (2,7 Bel)!

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HD502IJ should be the correct reference.

Not very clear, the HD501LJ is a T166 disk with 16MB cache, the HD501IJ will be a F1 one with 8MB cache !?

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QUOTE(Eric B @ Jun 26 2007, 01:53 PM) 243875[/snapback]
1. I wish StorageReview will be able to post a comparison between new 1GB contests as soon as possible:

2. with 2 platters, the Seagate should be quieter (2,5 Bel) than the Samsung (2,7 Bel)!

1. Agreed

2. I wouldn't count on that. I have had Seagates 7200.7 (160) and now have two 7200.8 (250GB) and a 7200.10 (320), all with two platters as well as a Samsung three platter 500GB t166 and the Samsung is a lot quieter than all of those Seagates.

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I don't think it's a paper launch. I'm pretty confident that we can see the first reviews in the net by the end of this week.

The news first started about 3. of June. Your post came 3 weeks later, the 25. of June. Now its been another 3 weeks and i have still not seen any reviews on the net. I guess real availability in more then a few exotic webshops are at least a month away. Hopefully tomorrow, but realisticly probably not before late august or september.

Looking at the popularity on this topic on the net and comparing that with the fact that production normally ramps from low volumes to high volumes in a few months then it might be sold out fast and stay sold out for weeks before new supplies arrive. Samsung may well up the price if it the disc is extremly popular.

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Many german shops have it on their price lists and I'm sure some people already pre-ordered and now eagerly waiting for it. The waiting is going to be a little long though. I'd like one or two of these myself, but will wait until the real availability. I don't think samsung will up the price significantly even if the hard drive will become very popular. Hitachi is selling their 1TB for about 265 euros in united states, and by the time samsung will start to ship these disks, 240 euros will be the right price to take some market share from others.

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Seems like Samsung dropped their latest products, Spinpoint MP1, M5 and F1 from their web site.

I imagine they might have encountered some kind of serious problem in producing and distributing these products, or these models might have been paper products from the beginning?

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Seems like Samsung dropped their latest products, Spinpoint MP1, M5 and F1 from their web site.

I believe that except for the press releases (which are still there), there has never been any more information at the Samsung site regarding these drives.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/

Most of the information on the web (except for the "Imagine" brochure) regarding the F1 can be found here I think:

http://www.stephenz.com/storageEvent/eventInfo.aspx

http://www.hwhpr.com/ (picture from storage press conference in New York City where the F1 was reportedly announced)

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Here's an official data sheet:

http://onversity.net/load/spinpointf1.pdf

If you go to Samsung's Korean site (http://www.sec.co.kr/) and search on the model number you'll find an official information page. This rather long link should get you directly there: http://search.sec.co.kr/redirectLog.jsp?us...01%3D0000100008

Specs listed on that page:

SATA 3.0 Gbps; 7,200 RPM, 16MB cache

Read seek average 8.9ms

Average latency 4.17ms

Data transfer (media to buffer) 135MB/sec

Idle noise 2.70 Bel

Random r/w noise 2.90 Bel

I'm waiting on the release of this drive to build my new server!

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Here's an official data sheet:

http://onversity.net/load/spinpointf1.pdf

If you go to Samsung's Korean site (http://www.sec.co.kr/) and search on the model number you'll find an official information page. This rather long link should get you directly there: http://search.sec.co.kr/redirectLog.jsp?us...01%3D0000100008

Specs listed on that page:

SATA 3.0 Gbps; 7,200 RPM, 16MB cache

Read seek average 8.9ms

Average latency 4.17ms

Data transfer (media to buffer) 135MB/sec

Idle noise 2.70 Bel

Random r/w noise 2.90 Bel

I'm waiting on the release of this drive to build my new server!

I think you' re right about the link, but wrong about the official data sheet.

Here's the Google translation of the link:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht...Flanguage_tools

I believe the data sheet you linked to is not an official data sheet - it says that the max media to buffer rate is 175 MB/s, whereas the Korean Samsung site says 135 MB/s. It also says the non-operating temperature only goes down to 40 C. And the weight in the data sheet you linked to says 672 g while the web site says 639 or less. And why shouldn't it be posted on Samsung's web site if it were official? I think "Imagine" meant just what it said, literally.

Strangely, the data sheet you linked to has the exact same specification errors as this brochure:

http://www.stephenz.com/storageEvent/pdfs/...1_datasheet.pdf

(The Stephenz Group is one of the top advertising agencies in the US.)

I remember the development of the perpendicular T166 was announced by Samsung in the summer of 2005, but the drive didn't become available (in public distribution channels at least) till the fall of 2006, and when it became available I believe it was not perpendicular. So I guess we'll see how long they might take with this one....

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Seems like Samsung dropped their latest products, Spinpoint MP1, M5 and F1 from their web site.

I imagine they might have encountered some kind of serious problem in producing and distributing these products, or these models might have been paper products from the beginning?

Most times, it's just marketing reasons.

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Most times, it's just marketing reasons.

On Samsung's Korean site, they indicate the media to buffer transfer rate for the T166 (HD501LJ/DOM and HD321KJ/DOM, DOM = domestic) as 135 MB/s... but perhaps that is just marketing reasons too. :)

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Can't they just abstain themselves until the product goes in real production ? :angry:

And why should they? Announcing early gives tons of free press (witness this thread alone ;)).

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Most times, it's just marketing reasons.

On Samsung's Korean site, they indicate the media to buffer transfer rate for the T166 (HD501LJ/DOM and HD321KJ/DOM, DOM = domestic) as 135 MB/s... but perhaps that is just marketing reasons too. :)

I haven't seen any website or reviewer or retail store that actually has F1 1TB, but perhaps such inconsistences once again prove Samsung doesn't care much about their own websites. For that matter, Samsung still doesn't care much about SR.

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There is a Dutch online retailer who had a few F1series drives on their list with prices

Samsung SpinPoint F1,7200RPM, SATA II, 16MB, 750GB € 181,07 ETA 14 days

http://www.azerty.nl/producten/product_det...inpoint-f1.html

Samsung SpinPoint F1,7200RPM, SATA II, 32MB, 750GB € 191,73 ETA 14 days

http://www.azerty.nl/producten/product_det...inpoint-f1.html

Samsung Spinpoint F1,7200RPM, SATA II, 16MB, 1000GB € 251,41 PRE-ORDER

http://www.azerty.nl/producten/product_det...inpoint-f1.html

Samsung Spinpoint F1,7200RPM, SATA II, 32MB, 1000GB € 272,74 ETA 21-28 days

http://www.azerty.nl/producten/product_det...inpoint-f1.html

But I wait for the 320 or 500GB drive to put in RAID0. When the drives actually can be purchased? I hope next week but i don't expect that. Could be again another month or so i guess :(

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A Dutch online retailer has prices for some F1drives online

http://www.azerty.nl/producten/product_det...inpoint-f1.html

Samsung SpinPoint F1,7200RPM, SATA II, 16MB, 750GB € 181,07 ETA 14 days

Samsung SpinPoint F1,7200RPM, SATA II, 32MB, 750GB € 191,73 ETA 14 days

Samsung Spinpoint F1,7200RPM, SATA II, 16MB, 1000GB € 251,41 Pre-order

Samsung Spinpoint F1,7200RPM, SATA II, 32MB, 1000GB € 272,74 ETA 21-28 days

I wait for 320GB or 500GB drives but I won't be surprised if it takes more than a month before they can be bought

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