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Where, oh where, are the Terabyte drives

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--George Bernard Shaw

I'm a bit surprised by the posts by SmoothDrRod and imsabbel. Everyone has a bad day sometimes, but seriously.

I'm also surprised at the length of time it took to move from 750 to 1TB, and most manufacturers haven't even moved to 750! I think that more customers are interested in performance and reliability than size. I can easily use a few TB, but most people never fill their mainstream 80GB drives.

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I'm also surprised at the length of time it took to move from 750 to 1TB, and most manufacturers haven't even moved to 750! I think that more customers are interested in performance and reliability than size. I can easily use a few TB, but most people never fill their mainstream 80GB drives.

I think that time it took to move from 750GB to 1TB was pretty much normal. If we look back the last 10 years we can find out that the top capacity has arised just by 1.5 times every year (a bit moving here and there in couple of years but still in sync if to look at the last 10 years in total).

But yes, I agree with your opinion that majority of customers aren't just capacity hunters. Recently I did some public questionary about HDD preferences among mid-class computer specialists and fans - the result was just that the silence was the major interest taking just 1/3 of answers! Almost the same ratio of preferences was given also to reliability. The performance (summary of various performance characteristics) was marked by 17% only. Cool-running, price, warranty, favorite, random and other variants got only marginal amount of answers.

Concerning the interests in capacity (real needs for capacity) an another recent questionary indicated that again exactly 1/3 of answerers choosed 320GB, about 10...13% of answerers marked capacities 80/160/640/1T3 each. All other choices (even less or more) received 0...3 percents of interest only.

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So, here we are, in March, and still no sign of one of these vaporware drives. I imagine these drives will probably be something like the Vulcan Flipstart PC when they arrive..... 2 years late and made obsolete by ridiculously cheap Flash media. Seriously though, I bet the first units go out for review in June and we see them on the shelves by August.

Did I mention I'm going to release Terabit wireless worldwide by the year 3000 ? I'm going to use the earth's magnetic field as a carrier wave.... Seagate and Hitachi PR people, please hold your breath while you wait, serves you right.

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Added power requirements to spin the added platters is real. Able to do it within 8W with 4 platters is awesome piece of design (have the deskstar 8).

I once took apart many Tandon/WD stepper drives (they're 1 or 2 platter types, 20-40MB, awful high failure rate.) and restacked solid with platters on one of those. Plugged in, it took forever to spin up and didn't spin up to speed as motor had insufficient power to maintain 3600rpm. Even spun up few without platters, and spindle motor took off like a rocket. WHIRR!!

Cheers, Wizard

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So, here we are, in March, and still no sign of one of these vaporware drives.
And you're surprised? sounds like the video card makers back in the GeforceFX-series days too... :P

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So, here we are, in March, and still no sign of one of these vaporware drives.

And you're surprised? sounds like the video card makers back in the GeforceFX-series days too... :P

The Radeon 9700 was a superb card. What are you suggesting about the tbyte HDDs? :)

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Well, vendors are now taking pre-orders for the Hitachi drives... one even lists expected ETA as Monday the 10th of April. So, it looks like Hitachi has indeed beaten Seagate to market. It will be interesting to see what people think of these Hitachi drives. Best prices are around $365. Pretty amazing really... I remember when a 100 MB drive was big... and now we're talking 1,000,000 MB. $0.365 / GB.... Seek times haven't improved all that much over all these years. I wonder where we'll be after another 20 years...

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Well, vendors are now taking pre-orders for the Hitachi drives...

The drives have apparently hit the stores in Japan too:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht...Flanguage_tools

Original here:

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotli...1/etc_hgst.html

Xbit here (there's a typo currently about 250 GB platters):

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/displ...0405051228.html

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Well, vendors are now taking pre-orders for the Hitachi drives... one even lists expected ETA as Monday the 10th of April. So, it looks like Hitachi has indeed beaten Seagate to market. It will be interesting to see what people think of these Hitachi drives. Best prices are around $365. Pretty amazing really... I remember when a 100 MB drive was big... and now we're talking 1,000,000 MB. $0.365 / GB.... Seek times haven't improved all that much over all these years. I wonder where we'll be after another 20 years...

I was too young to remember 100MB drives, but I do remember the 1.2GB WD Caviar we had/have. It still works to this day.

1TB on a single hard drive is nothing less than astonishing. Even 10 years ago, even 5 years ago, it would have been laughed at. In 1997, "In 2007, we will have one terabyte hard drives..." "hahahahahaha, sure"

I wonder where the limit for magnetic hard drives will be. I don't want to even utter a capacity. 50TB, 500TB, 1PB?

Maybe in 2020, we will be talking about petabyte hard drives and how we could actually fill them with data.

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The superparamagnetic limit suggests that with current magnetic storage technology...

http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/storage/pm/pm1.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...p;dopt=Abstract

Currently 100-170Gbit/square inch is available commerically as the upper limit, 400Gbit/square inch should be very near future, and it looks like 1Tbit/square inch (soon) 10Tbit/square inch (later) are in the future.

Anyway, to whoever first posted the Anandtech review here of the 7K1000 from Hitachi...

http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2949&p=1

It looks awesome.

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I was too young to remember 100MB drives, but I do remember the 1.2GB WD Caviar we had/have. It still works to this day.
I worked for years with Seagate ST-225 20MB MFM drives. Seem to recall a few full-height 5.25" 5MB and 10MB drives too but can't remember the model numbers... Also worked with the ST-238R RLL 30MB drives, and the ST-251A 40MB drives. These were all very popular 20 years ago.

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I was too young to remember 100MB drives, but I do remember the 1.2GB WD Caviar we had/have. It still works to this day.
I worked for years with Seagate ST-225 20MB MFM drives. Seem to recall a few full-height 5.25" 5MB and 10MB drives too but can't remember the model numbers... Also worked with the ST-238R RLL 30MB drives, and the ST-251A 40MB drives. These were all very popular 20 years ago.

That is cool. :)

I have actually never even heard a stepper hard drive run. Not in real life that is. I saw a couple youtube videos of them though. I know the 5MB and 10MB seagates were the first PC hard drives. ST-506 and ST-412 seem to ring a bell.

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Thanks for reminding me of those old models.... Memories...

Well, now all those sites that are offering the Hitachi 1TB drive for "pre-order" are saying May 15th availability.... None for sale on EBay either.... I get the feeling that today's (April 12th) shipment never happend.

Looks like more vapor.... Seagate still has a shot.

Edited by supercaffeinated

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Newegg has the Hitachi 1TB in stock, but it's selling for nearly double the MSRP.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822145143

I'd hardly call this the debut that was advertised by Hitachi, although the Seagate drive isn't available anywhere, at any price, so Hitachi has certainly beat Seagate to the street.

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And aside from Newegg, no one else seems to have the 7K1000... pricewatch comes up empty.

In Europe it is available in many stores. And the price is surprisingly low already (it dropped last week about 10% and dropped this week again about 10%). Still I can't say what the current right base price is because it's pretty big mess now here and there at distributors.

BTW, some of my friends already got the drive this week. Here's just two HDtach results (two drives from the same batch tested by different users, on different computers - however one is using SATA300 and other is using SATA150 controller):

[1] 87-89MB/s max, 72.5MB/s avg. Access time 13.5ms

http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard03be4.jpg

[2] 87-90MB/s max, 72.6MB/s avg. Access time 12.8ms !!!

http://img165.imagevenue.com/img.php?image...B_122_511lo.jpg

Also, 750GB version of 7K1000 is really available now...

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Oh yes, I forgot to mention - we got these 1TB 7K1000 drives at the (end)retail price 290 EUR + LocalSalesTax. This looks to be even a bit cheaper than the Hitachi's advertised US$399 retail price. Pretty unusual for European situation... But as I already said, the prices are very different in different places at the present moment and there are some more price drop(s) foreseen in upcoming weeks...

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Newegg has the Hitachi 1TB in stock, but it's selling for nearly double the MSRP.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822145143

I'd hardly call this the debut that was advertised by Hitachi, although the Seagate drive isn't available anywhere, at any price, so Hitachi has certainly beat Seagate to the street.

Showing $449 right now. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822145141

Wasn't MSRP $399?

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Best price here i Sweden right now is 3211 SEK ~ $470 or without sales tax about $350, so I think their below their recommended price already :)

The 750GB Seagates cost 3500 something at introduction time, so it's something similar adjusting for a weaker dollar.

Time to switch all my ~300 GB drives to a cool 1TB...

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Also notice that at $449 from Newegg, the drive is out of stock... I'm in no hurry to buy one of these. I'll wait until Seagate brings some competition, and therefore some pricing pressure to the market.

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