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In all honesty we europeans know well what is going to happen in "good ?" old europe.

Even if some accuse me for being racial (the late HMTK, who always refused to open his eyes), we must try to look at the Islam in the right way.

The Islam by itself is certainly ok, but the people behind it, certainly not.

France (for the record) has around 6 million Muslims in his country and those do NOT have the french nationality.

Those having the french nationality are with some 15 - 20 million.

All together almost half of the french population is muslim, certainly more then one third.

Integration is non-existant and even if at a time it seemed integration was there, all that reversed very badly since a few years. Osama Bin Laden has/had a great influence in this.

However if Musims of the arabic kind will rule europe, europe will become a desert without sand, meaning

evolution will stop and many companies will turn their back to europe.

It is nice to invest in the middle-east, where there is oil and gas, but what can europe offer if the clock will be set back for some 1000 years?

The good part here: oil and gas will no longer be available after the year 2040, so shortly after that the arab world will be forgotten like most of Africa.

So this article of 1999 says it all, this was prior to sept 11 2001, but now 6 years later, we europeans must admit that christianity looses big time.

http://www.ci-ce-ct.com/article/showquesti...aq=3&fldAuto=24

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Francois, you have acquired an article that should inspire all non-Muslims to support anti-terror efforts around the world. We get little or no support from non-militant Muslims because, in their hearts, this article exposes their agenda and sympathies.

Do you know anything about Mohammed Sabaoui? Who is he? The article is old so I am curious to know what has happened, or is happening in the town of Roubaix. Do you have any information?

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JSF, Roubaix is for 60 % muslim, so they will get the majority overthere to govern the city, if they do not already have it.

Mohammed Sabaoui was a 25 year old student "sociology". Do not know what he is doing now.

http://www.alapage.com/mx/?type=1&tp=F&l_i...nee_appel=BERQK

is the book of Philippe Aziz who interviewed Sabaoui.

http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/1997/06/ROUSTEL/8738.html

Also about Roubaix, but unfortunately i do not find the 2 URL's in English.

Still for those understanding french, it is a good read.

"We get little or no support from non-militant Muslims ".

You got that right. Europe should support the U.S. more, but nowadays one must turn the other cheek.

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The failure of the Socialist mandarins to forcefully integrate their Muslims has been ongoing for a long time. It was predicted, was expected. If not for the hasty strike of the al-Qaeda, it would have been too late for the US, the last great hope and champion of the West, to gather strength once again to counter this fascist, recividist despotism of the ancient Islamist world.

This screed was published in late 2002.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_4_the_barbarians.html

The Barbarians at the Gates of Paris

Theodore Dalrymple

Everyone knows la douce France: the France of wonderful food and wine, beautiful landscapes, splendid châteaux and cathedrals. More tourists (60 million a year) visit France than any country in the world by far. Indeed, the Germans have a saying, not altogether reassuring for the French: “to live as God in France.†Half a million Britons have bought second homes there; many of them bore their friends back home with how they order these things better in France.

But there is another growing, and much less reassuring, side to France. I go to Paris about four times a year and thus have a sense of the evolving preoccupations of the French middle classes. A few years ago it was schools: the much vaunted French educational system was falling apart; illiteracy was rising; children were leaving school as ignorant as they entered, and much worse-behaved. For the last couple of years, though, it has been crime: l’insécurité, les violences urbaines, les incivilités. Everyone has a tale to tell, and no dinner party is complete without a horrifying story. Every crime, one senses, means a vote for Le Pen or whoever

replaces him...

...Where does the increase in crime come from? The geographical answer: from the public housing projects that encircle and increasingly besiege every French city or town of any size, Paris especially. In these housing projects lives an immigrant population numbering several million, from North and West Africa mostly, along with their French-born descendants and a smattering of the least successful members of the French working class. From these projects, the excellence of the French public transport system ensures that the most fashionable arrondissements are within easy reach of the most inveterate thief and vandal...

...An apartment in this publicly owned housing is also known as a logement, a lodging, which aptly conveys the social status and degree of political influence of those expected to rent them. The cités are thus social marginalization made concrete: bureaucratically planned from their windows to their roofs, with no history of their own or organic connection to anything that previously existed on their sites, they convey the impression that, in the event of serious trouble, they could be cut off from the rest of the world by switching off the trains and by blockading with a tank or two the highways that pass through them, (usually with a concrete wall on either side), from the rest of France to the better parts of Paris. I recalled the words of an Afrikaner in South Africa, who explained to me the principle according to which only a single road connected black townships to the white cities: once it was sealed off by an armored car, “the blacks can foul only their own nest.â€

The average visitor gives not a moment’s thought to these Cités of Darkness as he speeds from the airport to the City of Light. But they are huge and important—and what the visitor would find there, if he bothered to go, would terrify him.

A kind of anti-society has grown up in them—a population that derives the meaning of its life from the hatred it bears for the other, “official,†society in France. This alienation, this gulf of mistrust—greater than any I have encountered anywhere else in the world, including in the black townships of South Africa during the apartheid years—is written on the faces of the young men, most of them permanently unemployed, who hang out in the pocked and potholed open spaces between their logements. When you approach to speak to them, their immobile faces betray not a flicker of recognition of your shared humanity; they make no gesture to smooth social intercourse. If you are not one of them, you are against them...

...There are burned-out and eviscerated carcasses of cars everywhere. Fire is now fashionable in the cités: in Les Tarterets, residents had torched and looted every store—with the exceptions of one government-subsidized supermarket and a pharmacy. The underground parking lot, charred and blackened by smoke like a vault in an urban hell, is permanently closed.

When agents of official France come to the cités, the residents attack them. The police are hated: one young Malian, who comfortingly believed that he was unemployable in France because of the color of his skin, described how the police invariably arrived like a raiding party, with batons swinging—ready to beat whoever came within reach, irrespective of who he was or of his innocence of any crime, before retreating to safety to their commissariat. The conduct of the police, he said, explained why residents threw Molotov cocktails at them from their windows. Who could tolerate such treatment at the hands of une police fasciste?

Molotov cocktails also greeted the president of the republic, Jacques Chirac, and his interior minister when they recently campaigned at two cités, Les Tarterets and Les Musiciens. The two dignitaries had to beat a swift and ignominious retreat, like foreign overlords visiting a barely held and hostile suzerainty: they came, they saw, they scuttled off.

Antagonism toward the police might appear understandable, but the conduct of the young inhabitants of the cités toward the firemen who come to rescue them from the fires that they have themselves started gives a dismaying glimpse into the depth of their hatred for mainstream society. They greet the admirable firemen (whose motto is Sauver ou périr, save or perish) with Molotov cocktails and hails of stones when they arrive on their mission of mercy, so that armored vehicles frequently have to protect the fire engines...

...One rap group, the Ministère amer (Bitter Ministry), won special official praise. Its best-known lyric: “Another woman takes her beating./ This time she’s called Brigitte./ She’s the wife of a cop./ The novices of vice piss on the police./ It’s not just a firework, scratch the clitoris./ Brigitte the cop’s wife likes niggers./ She’s hot, hot in her pants.†This vile rubbish receives accolades for its supposed authenticity: for in the multiculturalist’s mental world, in which the savages are forever noble, there is no criterion by which to distinguish high art from low trash. And if intellectuals, highly trained in the Western tradition, are prepared to praise such degraded and brutal pornography, it is hardly surprising that those who are not so trained come to the conclusion that there cannot be anything of value in that tradition. Cowardly multiculturalism thus makes itself the handmaiden of anti-Western extremism.

Whether or not rap lyrics are the authentic voice of the cités, they are certainly its authentic ear: you can observe many young men in the cités sitting around in their cars aimlessly, listening to it for hours on end, so loud that the pavement vibrates to it 100 yards away. The imprimatur of the intellectuals and of the French cultural bureaucracy no doubt encourages them to believe that they are doing something worthwhile. But when life begins to imitate art, and terrible gang-rapes occur with increasing frequency, the same official France becomes puzzled and alarmed. What should it make of the 18 young men and two young women currently being tried in Pontoise for allegedly abducting a girl of 15 and for four months raping her repeatedly in basements, stairwells, and squats? Many of the group seem not merely unrepentant or unashamed but proud.

Though most people in France have never visited a cité, they dimly know that long-term unemployment among the young is so rife there that it is the normal state of being. Indeed, French youth unemployment is among the highest in Europe—and higher the further you descend the social scale, largely because high minimum wages, payroll taxes, and labor protection laws make employers loath to hire those whom they cannot easily fire, and whom they must pay beyond what their skills are worth.

Everyone acknowledges that unemployment, particularly of the permanent kind, is deeply destructive, and that the devil really does find work for idle hands; but the higher up the social scale you ascend, the more firmly fixed is the idea that the labor-market rigidities that encourage unemployment are essential both to distinguish France from the supposed savagery of the Anglo-Saxon neo-liberal model (one soon learns from reading the French newspapers what anglo-saxon connotes in this context), and to protect the downtrodden from exploitation. But the labor-market rigidities protect those who least need protection, while condemning the most vulnerable to utter hopelessness: and if sexual hypocrisy is the vice of the Anglo-Saxons, economic hypocrisy is the vice of the French...

...Whether France was wise to have permitted the mass immigration of people culturally very different from its own population to solve a temporary labor shortage and to assuage its own abstract liberal conscience is disputable: there are now an estimated 8 or 9 million people of North and West African origin in France, twice the number in 1975—and at least 5 million of them are Muslims. Demographic projections (though projections are not predictions) suggest that their descendants will number 35 million before this century is out, more than a third of the likely total population of France.

Indisputably, however, France has handled the resultant situation in the worst possible way. Unless it assimilates these millions successfully, its future will be grim. But it has separated and isolated immigrants and their descendants geographically into dehumanizing ghettos; it has pursued economic policies to promote unemployment and create dependence among them, with all the inevitable psychological consequences; it has flattered the repellent and worthless culture that they have developed; and it has withdrawn the protection of the law from them, allowing them to create their own lawless order.

No one should underestimate the danger that this failure poses, not only for France but also for the world. The inhabitants of the cités are exceptionally well armed. When the professional robbers among them raid a bank or an armored car delivering cash, they do so with bazookas and rocket launchers, and dress in paramilitary uniforms. From time to time, the police discover whole arsenals of Kalashnikovs in the cités. There is a vigorous informal trade between France and post-communist Eastern Europe: workshops in underground garages in the cités change the serial numbers of stolen luxury cars prior to export to the East, in exchange for sophisticated weaponry.

A profoundly alienated population is thus armed with serious firepower; and in conditions of violent social upheaval, such as France is in the habit of experiencing every few decades, it could prove difficult to control. The French state is caught in a dilemma between honoring its commitments to the more privileged section of the population, many of whom earn their livelihoods from administering the dirigiste economy, and freeing the labor market sufficiently to give the hope of a normal life to the inhabitants of the cités. Most likely, the state will solve the dilemma by attempts to buy off the disaffected with more benefits and rights, at the cost of higher taxes that will further stifle the job creation that would most help the cité dwellers. If that fails, as in the long run it will, harsh repression will follow.

But among the third of the population of the cités that is of North African Muslim descent, there is an option that the French, and not only the French, fear. For imagine yourself a youth in Les Tarterets or Les Musiciens, intellectually alert but not well educated, believing yourself to be despised because of your origins by the larger society that you were born into, permanently condemned to unemployment by the system that contemptuously feeds and clothes you, and surrounded by a contemptible nihilistic culture of despair, violence, and crime. Is it not possible that you would seek a doctrine that would simultaneously explain your predicament, justify your wrath, point the way toward your revenge, and guarantee your salvation, especially if you were imprisoned? Would you not seek a “worthwhile†direction for the energy, hatred, and violence seething within you, a direction that would enable you to do evil in the name of ultimate good? It would require only a relatively few of like mind to cause havoc. Islamist proselytism flourishes in the prisons of France (where 60 percent of the inmates are of immigrant origin), as it does in British prisons; and it takes only a handful of Zacharias Moussaouis to start a conflagration...

***

If Western secular humanist civilization eventually falls it will not be due to the lack of resources but because the final decadent generations lose the will to succour themselves and thus incompetently suicide-surfs into collective oblivion under the waves of its socio-cultural replacement/s. To this end, the anarchic-liberal movements will be there to arrange for collective self-consolation while Western civilization geopolitically devolves, its birth-cultures weakened by the contraindications of its most contradictive intellectual offspring.

Western nations thus afflicted will be seen to abandon their formative values and strengths, and slowly lose their ability to adapt, assimilate, and prevail over cultural competitors not so encumbered. It will be like a bad mass-hypnosis horror movie, this oncoming bonfire of some of the greatest civilizational achievements in history. And it will in all likelihood be a self-induced downfall, likely to be viewed as an abortion of its worst excesses by smug Western intellectuals, and just as likely to be viewed as a suicide of its grand self by the historians of the future. If history or the lack thereof is any indication it will go little noticed and largely unreported in their history books.

After all, more is known with certainty about the rise of Islamic nations than of the very end of the ancient Greco-Romans, for what little we know of the latter's degeneracy and fall was mostly due to the transmitted works of Islamist historians recorded in the vibrant prime of their first golden age...

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Very true Tracker.

Europe is lost. thanks to this, maybe the U.S. will not make the same mistake?

So i must ask again: "Was it a good thing that the germans lost W.W.2?

Afterall we europeans where happy when the americans and russians saves our ass.

Unfortunately, we cannot take care of ourselves.

Today was in the newspaper that a school teacher who was sending a joke to his collegues about nort-africans was fired or he had to quiet himself.

Now if it was a joke about dutch people (we do have a lot of them), or jews, then everything would be find.

Now he had to leave his job for being racial.

So you U.S. guys, watch out before telling a joke about mexicans......

f_vo

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No actually Mexicans are white Christians we can joke about them all we want just like white Christians of European heritage, we however cannot make any jokes about blacks or Muslims, kind of like Europe, all the things you describe I am beginning to see here in the US, I hope you are right and we realize what’s going to happen before it does and we stop it. Stop the socialists/communists/Demonicrats worldwide.

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Francois, Europe is not all lost. Many Eastern Europeans and the British still retain much of the old virtues and mindset which put individual freedoms ahead of social leveling mechanisms.

The big problem is the fast-growing, non-liberal Arab populations which are transforming the polities of central European nations like France and Germany into something less recognizably Western. Unless these nations assimilate and uplift their Islamist immigrants as successfully as Americans have, to retain their Eurocentric status the embattled Euro-Establishments will eventually evolve various forms of politico-cultural Apartheid disguised as socioeconomic artifacts of "failed policies". Their military and state police will likely evolve into the final guarantors of national unity, guardians on whom the statist industrial Establishment will increasingly come rely on, and be bound to, in the coming times of division and upheaval. This political response will undermine their liberal-democratic foundations because conditions will become ripe for nationalist-socialist, fascist movements in the Continent which perfected these things. Confused and worried citizens will look to an strong political center to hold the entire mixed bag.

Needless to say, this can't be a very good thing. Things will get worse before they have a chance of getting better. As xSTLx notices, we already see the signs of the coming short-lived reign of anarchic tyranny, when things like race, religion, and economic disparities which are best debated and confronted up front devolve into PC subjects which are off-limits to objective and reasonable scrutiny and thus are less open to resolution and decision.

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Although mexicans are considered white christians, they are not really white white.

But they are christians and that makes a H U G E difference.

Yesterday a car exploded in Iraq and the suicide killer was a woman......a B E L G I A N woman. She was married with an extremist and he convinced her to go to Iraq and blow herself up.

Question: why did he not go himself to do the job?

They arrested some 10-11 persons involved in terrorist actions.

7 of them obtained the belgian nationality.

More and more one gets the impression that belgium will NEVER be attacked by terrorists. Why you say? Well belgium is a paradise for terrorists, so they keep a low profile in order not to alarm anyone who might interfere with their preparations for the next attack. Also belgium is the centrum of west-europe, so they can move to the Netherlands, Germany, France, England, Italy, Spain, Luxembourg, etc.

Do not know if it was on the news in the U.S. about the belgian woman. They did not want anyone to know this, fortunately it made the news.

http://www.happy fellowfrance.com/

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The belgian woman named "Muriel Degauque" killed herself on nov 9th and not yesterday. She was the only one killed. Her husband Aissan was shot in the head while he was loaded with explosives. 5 others where shot at the same time.

Correction to make the info right.

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There was a time in America when southern Europeans (Italians, Greeks, etc) weren't really considered "white." Given enough time, Latinos will also someday be considered white enough... because enough of them want to assimilate into American society for it to happen. I just don't see that happening with the Arabs in Europe.

As for Belgium, this is what it really means: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/guide/belgium.shtml

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Francois, thank you for your response. Tracker, the lengthy article you submitted provides a view of France that few North American tourists have ever encountered. It provides insight as to why France refused to help the U.S. in its war against terror. I think that France fears that any open hostility toward militant Islam will foment her own destruction from within.

All multi-cultural societies should heed what is happening in France. Full integration of minorities into society is absolutely essential if self-destruction is to be avoided. This is the main reason why I strongly favor a single national language.

Joe

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The failure of the Socialist mandarins to forcefully integrate their Muslims has been ongoing for a long time. It was predicted, was expected. If not for the hasty strike of the al-Qaeda, it would have been too late for the US, the last great hope and champion of the West, to gather strength once again to counter this fascist, recividist despotism of the ancient Islamist world.

This screed was published in late 2002.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_4_the_barbarians.html

The Barbarians at the Gates of Paris

Theodore Dalrymple

.... and it takes only a handful of Zacharias Moussaouis to start a conflagration...

***

If Western secular humanist civilization eventually falls it will not be due to the lack of resources but because the final decadent generations lose the will to succour themselves and thus incompetently suicide-surfs into collective oblivion under the waves of its socio-cultural replacement/s. To this end, the anarchic-liberal movements will be there to arrange for collective self-consolation while Western civilization geopolitically devolves, its birth-cultures weakened by the contraindications of its most contradictive intellectual offspring.

Western nations thus afflicted will be seen to abandon their formative values and strengths, and slowly lose their ability to adapt, assimilate, and prevail over cultural competitors not so encumbered. It will be like a bad mass-hypnosis horror movie, this oncoming bonfire of some of the greatest civilizational achievements in history. And it will in all likelihood be a self-induced downfall, likely to be viewed as an abortion of its worst excesses by smug Western intellectuals, and just as likely to be viewed as a suicide of its grand self by the historians of the future. If history or the lack thereof is any indication it will go little noticed and largely unreported in their history books.

After all, more is known with certainty about the rise of Islamic nations than of the very end of the ancient Greco-Romans, for what little we know of the latter's degeneracy and fall was mostly due to the transmitted works of Islamist historians recorded in the vibrant prime of their first golden age...

I just laughed my arse of on this highlighted diatribe by tracker, just hilarious! Oh really, f_vo says 'Very true' but seriously doubt he had a clue what all that Dilbert Goobledegook/BS generator stuff means, lol. Kind of like this one:

"Osmond Pöliphantechs

im_at_im.dk

Motherlode

2005/11/18

"Imagine extrapolating the cost-benefit index of a delayered and customer focused re-engineering win-win analysis of combined public sector vertically integrated policy structure. But streamlined and enterprise-based procurement implementation relieves congestion-prone matrix features by means of transparency and monitored felicitous alignments of OTC modules to modulate user-centric and flexible solution reciprocity. Thus we avoid imperative monologue and gender-relational substrata impact, a wondrous achievement, indeed." hehehe ;-)

Very true Tracker.

Europe is lost. thanks to this, maybe the U.S. will not make the same mistake?

So i must ask again: "Was it a good thing that the germans lost W.W.2?

Afterall we europeans where happy when the americans and russians saves our ass.

Unfortunately, we cannot take care of ourselves.

Today was in the newspaper that a school teacher who was sending a joke to his collegues about nort-africans was fired or he had to quiet himself.

Now if it was a joke about dutch people (we do have a lot of them), or jews, then everything would be find.

Now he had to leave his job for being racial.

So you U.S. guys, watch out before telling a joke about mexicans......

f_vo

Hey f_vo, that original article, just your standard extremist rhetoric. You have noticed how many Arab leaders, extremist factions of Palestinians, along with Iran's political/religious leaders still calling for the destruction of the Israeli state? As to the quote from that Christian site/article:

"You seem to forget your crusades, your colonisations and your Christianisations. Besides, you

don’t consider at all the substantial fertility of our Arabian women who follow the precepts of the Koran.

Simply, the fact that each woman gives birth to four, five, six or more children is enough to overpower you."

What a dumbass that guy is, he doesn't consider at all the substantial sperm powers that FS, SC, I and other males looking to 'score' can weld. Give us your hot Arab babes (well there are enough to stem the tide I think ;) ), and we of corrupt Western ideology will seduce your horny Arab babes into submission with our refined, gentlemanly magnetism---either that or we'll bend them over a French oak wine barrel and do them doggy style, LOL; no more extremists babies to be future terrorists :-) !

The big problem is the fast-growing, non-liberal Arab populations which are transforming the polities of central European nations like France and Germany into something less recognizably Western. Unless these nations assimilate and uplift their Islamist immigrants as successfully as Americans have, to retain their Eurocentric status the embattled Euro-Establishments will eventually evolve various forms of politico-cultural Apartheid disguised as socioeconomic artifacts of "failed policies".

More hyperbole and sensationalist gobbledegook from tracker... sad, I expect better. Only one part of this is true, but how would the French assimilate and uplift when the Muslim population has the highest rate of unemployment in all of Europe, I heard nearly 40%. Can you imagine the problems we'd have in the USA if ethnic minorities had such high unemployment rates across the board? Did we learn much from the social/economic implications touched by the Rodney King riots of 1992 in Los Angeles... I think not. Too bad you guys don't watch more of the PBS news/Frontline/Nova programing. Recently they did a story about the riots in France, they interviewed childhood friends now post college degrees. Both coming from upper middle class neighborhoods near Paris. Yet one is Caucasian and the other of Arab decent. The Caucasian graduate has been working for the last 3 years, and specifically said that there is absolutely discrimination against Muslims in France, which is the sole reason he has a job, and his friend cannot find a job... employers don't have trust that a Muslim, will be a good employee. As always these problems are not so simplistic as the average (and this will include the sometimes ignorant and biased 'tracker') SR reader imagines. The issues are in fact usually far more complicated, making solutions all the more difficult to find. France cannot overnight simply decide to employ all these unemployed Muslims, there is not enough 'governmental' spending in the budgets. It would take the political will of the entire French nation (something unlikely to ever happen) to find a solution that involves the private section economy as well as leadership from the bureaucrats.

Recently the PBS news hour did a round table interview of 5-6 scholars of the Islamic faith. An Arab professor from a prestigious USA university, an Arab graduate student from Harvard, a Arab-American woman, a Iman from the nation's largest mosque in N. Virginia? As was pointed out, it is the radical teaching of certain groups, that spread such ideology around the globe that is the problem. The problem is not this fictitious 'those Muslims' as our racist attitudes expressed here by SR members. The Koran is being purposely misinterpreted by these radical/fundamentalists. But then what do you expect of any religion, and it's holy texts. Men created these things, the holy scriptures, men interpret these things over the ages as they wish (let's not get into how there were prophets that supposedly speak the word of G_d, that's a never ending pointless argument). But in the finality of the discussion, it was said that Muslims around the world, sane Muslim clerics/leaders need to do more to combat this radical/profane version/vision of Islam.

Although mexicans are considered white christians, they are not really white white.

But they are christians and that makes a H U G E difference.

Yesterday a car exploded in Iraq and the suicide killer was a woman......a B E L G I A N woman. She was married with an extremist and he convinced her to go to Iraq and blow herself up.

Question: why did he not go himself to do the job?

They arrested some 10-11 persons involved in terrorist actions.

7 of them obtained the belgian nationality.

More and more one gets the impression that belgium will NEVER be attacked by terrorists. Why you say? Well belgium is a paradise for terrorists, so they keep a low profile in order not to alarm anyone who might interfere with their preparations for the next attack. Also belgium is the centrum of west-europe, so they can move to the Netherlands, Germany, France, England, Italy, Spain, Luxembourg, etc.

Do not know if it was on the news in the U.S. about the belgian woman. They did not want anyone to know this, fortunately it made the news.

http://www.happy fellowfrance.com/

f_vo

Oh my f_vo, I see you remember my previous humorous link to www.happy fellowfrance.com ;-0 ?

Yahoo is your friend (though you can get lots of country specific versions of Yahoo now), if you want to see if a particular story has made the news here in the USA. Well at least f_vo corrected himself, but it still shows how all of you are so easily mislead. I wound not want any of you on a jury of my peers in a criminal or civil case where I was a defendant. So did anyone even bother to watch the streaming video of the Frontline program that examined the terrorists involved with the London train bombings? Did you see the French governmental terrorism expert who said the United States government was all naive in their views and approach to fighting terrorism? So much for all of France turning the other cheek, as always there is far more 'behind the scenes' information to be gleaned if you so desire to learn more about a particular subject. But I think it is all to easy for the common 'intellectual' SR reader, or your average person around the world to just take what is spoon fed to you by whatever media slant you wish to view.

This is an AP newswire story, so expect the link to not be good in 2wks or less:

Belgium Police Hold 14 Suspects in Raids

She was 38, her first name was Mireille and she came from a middle class background in Charleroi, said an official close to the investigation who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

The woman had converted to fundamentalist Islam after she married a man from Morocco, officials said. "This is how she came into contact with the organization which allowed her to become a fighter for jihad," Audenaert said.

Her husband was killed in Iraq in a separate incident, officials said. Audenaert refused to give any further information about the couple.

Nine of the 14 suspects detained Wednesday were Belgian. Three others were Moroccan and two were Tunisian. Belgian authorities can keep people in detention for up to 24 hours before formally charging them.

The Tunisian who was arrested in the Paris area is suspected of having been in contact with one of those arrested in Belgium and is thought to have known the husband of the alleged suicide bomber.

Belgium has been mentioned as a breeding ground for terrorists in the past. There are 13 Belgian and Moroccan nationals on trial for allegedly being members of an Islamic group suspected in recent bomb attacks in Spain and Morocco.

I see not reason for full assimilation of societies or cultures, via la differance! I prefer pure, unfiltered, unfined, minimal manipulation in wine making...you let the grapes, soil, and vintage conditions express themselves. Same for people (well except there are always exceptions where homogenized versions like JA excel ;-) ), but when there is discrimination, lack of meaningful employment, where there is a great divide between the have's and have not's, then that becomes a fertile breading ground for those extremist/fringe groups. Which can lead to wide spread problems of larger 'group think'...example the Nazi.

Funny how all of you get excited about a few hostages being videotaped by so called Al Queda terrorist beheading people in Iraq. Ho hmm, boring duplicitous hypocrites! Where is your outrage over the beheading and killings going on in Thailand? What about the sex trade of young girls in Thailand...no one even paid any attention to that thread either; but we sure do love to obsess over those damned Muslims in the Western media. Guess those people in Thailand are sub-human then? Ok, you umm, as 'Q' would say, 'neo-cons', or as he likes to call almost everyone now 'Mustafa's' should love this site:

How 'bout it...your feelin' the peace yet? Read all about your bad Muslims, your bad Islamics; scroll to the bottom of the page for a list of terrorist attacks in 2005, click on the links to the left for list of attacks since 9/11. Whole lotta attacks in Thailand, guess f_vo missed those too...cause he's 'racial' as HTMK would say???

BTW, I was under the impression that the vast majority of Latin/Hispanic people were more of the Roman Catholic variety than your alleged 'Christians'. I never thought of Mexicans or any other (well the Basque people can be pretty pale skinned) Hispanic people as 'white'. Parts of Danish/French (mother), part Mexican (father) and more, but all babealicious Goddess Supreme Jessica Alba... she ain't no friggin white chick, and thank G_d for that, she's a yummy brown skinned Sinner, hallalueh ya, praise the lord!

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hahaha Uda, well i understand all that is said about France.

About : "You seem to forget your crusades, your colonisations and your Christianisations"

Very true also, but that was in the past. Let us not forget that the french, the english (now brits), the germans, the belgians.....you name it...all where doing crusades, colonisations in the past.

But we are talking about people here, and there "drive" to conquor others (in the past). But now we are talking about religion and that religion is a killer that cannot be stopped. Like said in the interview back in 1999, the Trojan horse is already in europe. All it needs is time.

Lets look further: in some 40 years energy as we know (oil, gas, electricity) will no longer be available. Well maybe electricity to a certain degree.

If another energy source is not found then : no longer airplaines in the air, no longer boats in the sea. Then what?

Transportation on a camel is an option.

It is not the religion itself that is dangerous, but the people "interpreting" it the way they do, that are.

So after europe, the U.S. will be next and all the A-bombs available cannot do anything to prevent this to happen. It is like a killer-virus and it will take for hundreds of years to change that. We all know not one superpower was able to be the numero uno in this world forever.

Allow me to say that i am a big fan of Jessica.

f_vo

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Uh oh, udaman has reached for the nuclear weapons and used the Alba argument, which is of course completely inarguable ;) . Well I cannot argue against that kind of powerful logic either. I suspect though, that due to the presence of such powers in the world, that what we refer to as "white" today will become an increasingly endangered species. And that is why I believe the term white will continue to grow and encompass more over time.

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White in the American sense is those of Northern European lineage, although this is sometimes confusing. As an American of Basque, Portugese (actually Galician), Austrian, and British (Welsh and English) ancestry, I am considered white in appearence, while my father's surname of Fernandes renders me as non-white on legal documents, although there is no suitable alternative for European ancestry on the same documents.

Americans are losing our country, and we can see what is happening in Europe. Unfortunately, our elected politicians in America are endeavoring to simulate the french model by totally ignoring the will of the American people. We so far have been powerless to change this--there are only two politcal parties, and both work together to supress any others from gaining credibility. Against the will of the people, seventy-six percent in March 2003, elected politicians on the state and national level of either party refuse to enforce existing immigration policies, and the result has been a massive influx of residents who did not enter the country through legal means. Many, although by no means all, of these sojourners are of Mexican origin. Consequently, the invisible institution of political correctness (which is perpetuated largely by the media, Hollywood films, and well meaning but ignorant racial reformers) is quick to label those opposing these purported "undocumented citizens" as racist relics of the better forgotten past. Contrary to what xSTLx states, most Mexicans are not white Catholics but are the descendants of either mestizos (Spanish and Mexican Indian hybrids, and this is the VAST majority) or Mexican Native Americans (aka Mexican Indians) all of whom have been Latinised through Spanish conquest. In remote parts of Mexico, there are still a tiny minority of families with pure Spanish blood, especially in Jalisco, but these people rarely immigrate to the U.S. Consequently America has accelerated tword becoming the next France in terns of demograpghic status and the politicians have long been courting this new sector by ignoring their non-citizenship and granting them full access to all services designed to assist Americans in time of need and funded by the taxes paid by legal Americans. By expanding these programmes--again, aginst the will of legal citizens--the politicians are forcing the legal tax payers to further subsidise the programme beneficiaries, most of whom are either illegals (especially in California) or life long beneficiaries who pay no taxes. The biggest threat to western civilisation is the wholesale loss of our American culture--which is barely a couple of hundred years old--paired with the massive deficeits which are forever increased by our politicians who refuse to manage the nation's coffers competantly. Addditionally, illegals take every and any sort of service funded by the tax payers, draining the system as the government officials choose to enforce the immigration laws on developed first world nations like Northern Europeans ( it is much more expensive for Swedes and Norweigans to gain citizenbship) and the Japanese. This errosion of Americas once vast resources by the twenty to thirty million illegals, as well as moronic government regulation which hinders our self-sufficiency as a nation--especially in the area of energy, sounds a death toll for democracy as the international community loses the bulwark agianst further muslim expansion into the western world as well as an alley to Europe in the possible (but most likely eventual) religous and cultural wars to come. Let us not forget that the original Berbers on the old "fourth shore of Europe" were caucasians before the Muslims began their conquest of northern Africa around 640 c.e. Is all of Europe, and eventually America, facing a similar fate?

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Yes Jgrge3, you are right about the mexicans, but at least they are not so "agressive" religion wise.

Obama wants Turkey as a member of the EU, so 70 million moslims (not all radical) will have the possibility to live in europe. Obama is forgetting that the sooner europe is "invaded", the sooner the U.S. is next.

Mexicans come to the states for a better life, muslims com to europe for the same (at first), but once they are with many, they want control over the country.

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WTF?! New member resurrects an old thread and starts to a xenophobic/racist rant. Typical.

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Only a few have accepted the infamous strikes in Paris, New York, Tel Aviv, Bali, London as connected with the emerging global threat of aggressively hegemonistic, fascist Islamism. Fewer are aware of associated Islamist terrorism in less glamorous places like Beirut, Manila, Jakarta, Chechnya, Mumbai, Buenos Aires, Nigeria, southern Thailand and China. CI Officers in the armies of these front-line countries are quite fond of saying, "welcome to our war, and where have you been all this time?".

Observed over the past thirty years was the virulently opportunistic spread of contranational terror movements which seek to return to ancient despotisms and are (some) sponsored by non-Western dictatorships. What followed were various popular attempts to consensually define the threat. These ranged from: A) it's the twilight confrontation between Oriental despotism and Western modernity B ) a natural despairing response to capitalism/globalization C) a useful counter to US Imperialism D) the latest flare-up in a cyclical contest between old historical antagonists, or perhaps E) more of the same as all civilizations are more or less valued the same.

We can safely do away with the cynicism of E) given that nowadays everyone has a dog in this fight against indiscriminate terrorism. We can easily rule out B ) as even the socialists have analyzed hegemonist Islamism as a barbaric recidivism unfit for association. OTOH, hardcore millenarian leftists of the Chomskyite type will always count C) as a sentimental plus. What we have left is a growing Huntington consensus that what we have here is A) and of course D), a historical confrontation between religious, backward promises of the Oriental past vs. the secular, forward-looking opportunities of Western future. If the failure of Islamic peoples to progress is the fertile ground for intellectual despair and moral retribution, its core militant themes can provide politically deadened Muslims a redeeming escape into struggle against anyone and anything but the error of their own ways.

The obvious corollary F) - that historically it's a return bout between the successful nations of Enlightened, evolving post-Christendom modernity and the failing tribals of unreformed, recidivist Islamist mediocrity - this cannot be accepted without betraying the current totemic cults of PC and diversity.

But we always knew that.

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For the moment we've got still a whole lot more nukes than they do.

Quite true. But the moment is fleeting, and the future holds a scenario where (unless present demographic trends change radically) non-native European populations hosting far too much non-Western culture gain political majorities in some of the largest countries of the Continent. The possibility of non-allied EU nations controlling modern high-tech armies in pursuit of anti-Western objectives is not remote. Those red launch buttons may one day be under the thumbs of non-Western Europeans you wouldn't recognize as the native ones today.

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Lebanon is the scary example cited by both USSOCOM and Al-Qaeda, the current model of an emerging Islamist majority forming a state-within-a-state which acts together with foreign Islamists to hold the rest of country hostage to its contra-Western agenda (do they make skillfull use of Western methods and leftist allies to shield and further their cause). And this is just the first phase in their preparation for eventual demographic dominance over non-Muslim Lebanese, who are as in ancient Byzantine and Levantine days disuniting in the face of the new political reality. At some point these Lebanese Islamists, modern and educated in their methods and skills if not in values, do intend to export their ways in the service of Islamist hegemonism. At some point farther in the future, we have an analogous scenario where European neoIslamists, post-modern and educated in their methods and skills if not in values, will also intend to export their ways in the service of one of the rival Islamist hegemonisms.

The operational difference from the Lebanon model is that the decadent Euro-socialist systems are literally fertile ground for increasing numbers of future euro-Islamists, whereas Iran is apparently undergoing a demographic death-spiral due to cultural demoralization. So the irony is that the productive assets and technologies built by previous great generations of Enlightenment Christendom may yet end up providing a new civilizational lease on life for its ancient despotic rivals and likely successors. A successor people whose religion, culture, and ways of governnance tends to trace memetic lineage back to its ancient despotic roots far more than the peoples of decadence it is supplanting.

Unless one believes certain interpretations of Judeo-Christian apocalyptic scripture (aka Revelations), it does seem that hegemonist Islam evolved from a heretic parody of crusader Christianity into its replacement framework. It would be a joke except that it's too unfunny.

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WTF?! New member resurrects an old thread and starts to a xenophobic/racist rant. Typical.

Could you explain what part of this "rant" is racist or xenophobic please?

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