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Both Toshiba 60G/16M cache/ 5.4k rpm and Hitachi 60G/8M cache/ 5.4k rpm are about the same price (around 90usd).

Which one is better ?

I will use it in a digital wallet (digimate ii plus). :)

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Hitachi actually *has* end-user warranty support, and Toshibas have never been the very fastest drives. I think that should make clear what I'd go with. (But what the heck is a digital wallet?! Ah, OK, found it.)

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Hitachi actually *has* end-user warranty support, and Toshibas have never been the very fastest drives. I think that should make clear what I'd go with. (But what the heck is a digital wallet?! Ah, OK, found it.)

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Warranty is not an issue here (Hong Kong).

If both are 8M cache, I sure would go with Hitachi but just wondering if the 16M cache Toshiba is faster :huh:

I have been using a 40G Hitachi 5.4k rpm/8M cache for almost 2 years w/o problems.

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I depends on what you need/want most, how much money you want to spend, and how long you are willing to wait (as some of these have already been announced but haven´t hit the market yet)...

On the Hitachi line I´d go with:

For speed the Travelstar 7K60: (7200RPM, 60GB, 8MB buffer)

http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/m...4703e3aac4f0a0/

I have one on my Mac iBook G4 and it is great. :)

For capacity the Travelstar 4K120 (4200RPM, 120GB, 8MB buffer):

http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/m...4703e3aac4f0a0/

I am not sure this is for sale yet... :(

For both speed and capacity the Travelstar 7K100 (7200RPM, 100GB, 8mb buffer):

http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/m...1824a0eac4f0a0/

I am not sure this is for sale yet... :(

No, I don´t work for IBM/Hitachi or their retailers, I just liked the 7K60 so much that I am already on the look out for the next thing from them.

Good shopping!

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I depends on what you need/want most, how much money you want to spend, and how long you are willing to wait (as some of these have already been announced but haven´t hit the market yet)...

On the Hitachi line I´d go with:

For speed the Travelstar 7K60: (7200RPM, 60GB, 8MB buffer)

http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/m...4703e3aac4f0a0/

I have one on my Mac iBook G4 and it is great.  :)

For capacity the Travelstar 4K120 (4200RPM,  120GB, 8MB buffer):

http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/m...4703e3aac4f0a0/

I am not sure this is for sale yet...  :(

For both speed and capacity the Travelstar 7K100 (7200RPM, 100GB, 8mb buffer):

http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/m...1824a0eac4f0a0/

I am not sure this is for sale yet...  :(

No, I don´t work for IBM/Hitachi or their retailers, I just liked the 7K60 so much that I am already on the look out for the next thing from them.

Good shopping!

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I am only interested in the two hd I mentioned.

I don't need 7.2k because it would kill the battery time and 4.2k is probably too slow.

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IMHO even a 4200 rpm drive would do (I mean, how fast is flash memory? 10 or 15 megs a second, tops?), but then the Travelstar 4K80 at least is a "legacy" Hitachi and I don't trust those as much as the ex-IBMs. Don't think you could go wrong with the 60 gig 5K80.

And when it comes to which of the two drives you mentioned (you didn't state a model # for the Toshiba btw, which is required to find out the generation) is faster, cache size alone is no real indication. Firmware optimization tends to be more important (which is why the IBMtachis turned out to be faster than the Toshibas of the same generation).

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IMHO even a 4200 rpm drive would do (I mean, how fast is flash memory? 10 or 15 megs a second, tops?), but then the Travelstar 4K80 at least is a "legacy" Hitachi and I don't trust those as much as the ex-IBMs. Don't think you could go wrong with the 60 gig 5K80.

And when it comes to which of the two drives you mentioned (you didn't state a model # for the Toshiba btw, which is required to find out the generation) is faster, cache size alone is no real indication. Firmware optimization tends to be more important (which is why the IBMtachis turned out to be faster than the Toshibas of the same generation).

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Not even 5400rpm? 4200 is too slow.

Cheers, Wizard

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I don't need 7.2k because it would kill the battery time and 4.2k is probably too slow.

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Um, the 7k100 idles at 1.1w and the Toshiba GAX at 1.05w so battery life is the same. The Momentus 7200 is a little more at 1.3w.

http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/7k100/7k100.htm

http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Path=8182...000659c00002837

http://www.seagate.com/pdf/datasheet/disc/...omentus7200.pdf

Solution is to buy a fancy new 7k disk for the laptop and move any crappy old disk into the digital wallet, because there will be no speed difference there.

Edited by bfg9000

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If both are 8M cache, I sure would go with Hitachi but just wondering if the 16M cache Toshiba is faster  :huh:

I have been using a 40G Hitachi 5.4k rpm/8M cache for almost 2 years w/o problems.

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Years ago I got both the 8MB IBM 40GNX and a 16MB Toshiba GAX. The 40GNX is hands down much faster than the 40GB GAX; even faster than benchmarks show: http://www.barefeats.com/fire39.html

The 60GB GAX has higher areal density, but you can see, even the old 8MB GN does pretty well against it. The new IBM disks are better still.

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If both are 8M cache, I sure would go with Hitachi but just wondering if the 16M cache Toshiba is faster  :huh:

I have been using a 40G Hitachi 5.4k rpm/8M cache for almost 2 years w/o problems.

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Years ago I got both the 8MB IBM 40GNX and a 16MB Toshiba GAX. The 40GNX is hands down much faster than the 40GB GAX; even faster than benchmarks show: http://www.barefeats.com/fire39.html

The 60GB GAX has higher areal density, but you can see, even the old 8MB GN does pretty well against it. The new IBM disks are better still.

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Interesting.

The Toshiba I interested is the newer one MK6026GAX.

I wonder if the performance is the same. Will the 16M cache can save more tear & wear and battery life (as read&write) in real life.

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agreed.

I have a Toshiba 20GB version (gas model) it's slooow than actually should be. Seagate, Hitachi, other brands are quicker. Either 5400rpm or 7200rpm.

Cheers, Wizard

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I don't need 7.2k because it would kill the battery time

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Tom's testing suggest the above statement is a misconception:

even a clearly faster hard drive like the 7200-rpm model from Hitachi only makes a negligible dent in the battery life.

I also noticed no difference in battery life going from 4200 to 7200.

Edited by HyperSlug

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About the 8 vs 16 MB cache:

I had the occasion to test the caching capabilities of the Toshiba drives with 16MB cache. They acted very much as two independent caches, one for reading, one for writing, and not even that great at it. Mind you this was on a previous model.

I would thus ignore the 16MB "advantage" as it did not show, and go for the proven HGST.

Yéti

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I was also looking at the various notebook HDDs in terms of formfactor/capacity/power consumption for portable storage use:

http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=20422

For a 1.8" IDE drive I'm now using the Hitachi Travelstar C4K60 (60GB/4200rpm). Look for Hitachi's slimmer 80GB/4200rpm new model later...

For my main 2.5" IDE drive I'm now using the Seagate Momentus 5400.2 (120GB/5400rpm), but the Hitachi Travelstar 4K120 (120GB/4200rpm) should also be here soon hopefully. Look for Seagate's Momentus 5400.3 (160GB/5400rpm) later...

For my main 3.5" IDE/SATA drive I'm now using the Hitachi Desktar 7K500 (500GB/7200rpm), though obviously the 500GB drives from Seagate and Maxtor will come too.

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xlr8yourmac has a test of the 7k60 here: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/IDE/hitachi_tra...GB_7200rpm.html

and xbitlabs did a test of the latest 4026GAX showing it too is a disappointing performer as was its predecessor, the 4019GAX: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/print/9-25-hdd.html

The 7k100 has been backordered at ZipZoomFly for months now, and Dell just last week finally added it as an option for notebook orders, though with the caveat that it may significantly delay delivery time. Nevertheless a few have made it into the hands of customers.

On the other hand, the Momentus 7200.1 is MIA after its paper launch, existing only in its press release: http://www.seagate.com/cda/newsinfo/newsro...2695%5E,00.html

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