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“Living wage†is determined by minimum wage, which is determined by the government to be a wage sufficient to provide the necessities and comforts essential to an acceptable standard of living. I am sure Walmart does not pay less them minimum wage. I don’t see how you could work at Walmart and collect unemployment you supposed to be unemployed to collect it, well that’s how it is in Missouri I’m not sure how it is set up elsewhere. If your out of work unemployment is set up to make sure your family does not starve. The real problem is people being picky, I know several people who collect unemployment for the entire 13 months or whatever time is set up in your state then start job hunting, well what the hell the system is set up to allow you to look for a job while your needs are being provided for. They also will not leave unemployment for a job they feel pays to little, I interview I know the insane amounts the unemployed ‘feel’ their time is worth, perhaps why they are still unemployed lol, but one again this differs by state but in Missouri you receive $5.15 X 40 = $206 dollars per week for unemployment, yet people will not leave unemployment for lets say a $7hr job because its not enough money, well what the hell its more then unemployment so it will improve your financial situation so why don’t they take it? They would rather sit on ’lazy ass’ and collect free money, lets see how quick they go find that $7hr job if we get rid of unemployment, which is what I would like to see, dump it with most other government give the ’poor people’ (both meanings) free money BS programs. I have never and will never collect unemployment or any other free money program, the same as last time, if I lose my job I will be out looking and find one the next day even if it pays minimum wage, you have to make due with what you are dealt, people all living in debt, way above their means is the problem, face the truth, any one of us could survive on minimum wage if absolutely necessary, might have to lose the fancy ride or the sweet pad, or even relocate, but it could be done, face it, we all have to many useless toys we somehow figure we cannot live without and we figure them into living wage equation when they do not belong there and we do not need them.

“But the REAL thing that the Democrats want to ensure is that 90% of the wealth doesn’t end up in the hands of 5% of the population.â€

Crap now we talking socialist, Communist wonderful, yeah we all need to share, same thing sesame street now pounds into young minds to form a firm foundation for later liberal brain washing in school / college. First of all the Democrats only form a platform on these issues so they can ‘buy’ votes, that’s right tell lazy dolts they get free money and they are all onboard right Democrats, the Democrats are rich old white guys to, sorry liberals, think, do they ever get very far, I think it would be funny if the Republicans stood aside and said ok go ahead give all the poor all our and your money, haha the Democrats would crap and have to figure out how to change platforms quickly, they won’t give up the green, they simply tell every liberal extremist and poor oaf what they want to hear and it equals votes, weather they really believe it or not. “Right now, 50% of the wealth is in the hands of <1% or so of the population.†GOOD, those people worked their asses off (or their forefathers) and continue to do so, they did without to make their lives better, and you want to what?, take their money, lol, the human in me wants to take on father figure to kick some lazy ‘poor people’ butts into gear, I would care but the poor are given fair or BETTER opportunity, they can even get free college to better themselves, go work hard, go get a job, and you will have a good life in America, want real American inspiration, I know a gentleman, I am singing his praises not cutting him down in any way, he was born retarded, he receives no government assistance, owns his own home, does landscaping for a living, owns his own company, but cannot read or write a complete sentence. Anyone can make it in this country if they try. The poor and lazy cannot take the money from the rich and hard working. Future shock I am disappointed, you tried to pull the ‘tax cuts for the rich’ card. Bush gave tax cuts to you, me, child molesters, murderers, poor, and rich we all got them, everyone not only the rich yes they got one because everyone did, again the rich do not deserve to have more hard earned money taken because they are smart and hard working, that’s just sick, they work harder they pay more? Yes and if the poor and stupid take up arms to attack the rich why not allow police to ‘take care of them’ if the rich or poor disobey the law they should be punished, are you supporting revolution? Please don’t come out with a offshore tax cuts tow because we all know all companies got a tax cut if they moved jobs overseas or created more here, they all got a tax cut.

Welcome back FS. Hope you had a nice trip. :)

I will be having a pile of threads on that issue as well FS (off shoring) but you have been on a few hours and given me days worth of responding :) slow down a tad. “people fortunate enough to own stocks and bonds in companies†it’s a freedom we have, anyone can buy them, its called be responsible and save up to purchase, if you feel you are unable to make good investment choices mutual funds are nice.

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1) Well maybe not send jobs overseas, but did increase demand for made in (insert favorite overseas country here) products, thus creating more overseas jobs. The biggest problem of NAFTA is this China / India / you get the idea can now ship goods into Mexico for cheap rates then have ‘final assembly’ in Mexico and get it into the US under NAFTA and save a pile of money. In another case they can send car parts into Mexico then export them to the US for ‘final assembly’ and claim that car is made in America, ouch.

4) What’s wrong with helping businessmen and investors, that creates jobs and helps economy more jobs @ less tax rate = more $ then less jobs @ slightly higher tax rate. What’s wrong with helping people (anyone) start business with low interest rates, all interest both ways has been lower, and this helps create jobs and help people be successful, oh yeah wait that’s what you don’t like, you don’t want people to be successful you Democrats don’t own their vote then with promise of higher pay because they have made their own way without help of your cultist union mentality.

5) Well yeah, but we should kill all the benefits and make the free loaders work.

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Future Shock, you need to cool down and stop cursing. Until then, you're not worth my time.

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Lame answer if you're too uninspired to write an actual response.

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“Living wage†is determined by minimum wage, which is determined by the government to be a wage sufficient to provide the necessities and comforts essential to an acceptable standard of living.  I am sure Walmart does not pay less them minimum wage.

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Well, in most states, the minimum wage is not a 'living' wage. In many states, if you are only making minimum wage (even full time,) you are below the poverty line, and eligible for welfare assistance, food stamps, etc.

Oregon has the second-highest minimum wage in the nation ($7.25, behind number one Washington by only $0.10. Although a quick check reveals that San Francisco, CA is a whopping $8.50 for some businesses.) And in Portland, even if you live in one of the 'slummy' suburbs, minimum wage is barely enough to pay for a two-bedroom apartment and food. ($7.25 times 40 times 4 equals $1160 every four weeks.) I choose two-bedroom because many full-time min-wage workers are people with families, including single parents. After taxes (1/3 or $386, dirt-cheap rent $400, and modest food expenses $100, this leaves less than $275 a month for such 'luxuries' as electricity, phone, car payments/insurance, and more. If you replace 'car' with Portland's extremely good public transit, whose monthly pass is $62, you can save a little, but this still leaves only about $200.

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If you want to define "minimum wage" as the bare minimum a single person without roommates needs to get by, then in a city like New York try about $30,000 annually. You literally can't live on anything less than that. Figure out of the $30,000 you'll take home about $21,000 after taxes (NY is a high-tax city and state). That comes to $1750 per month. Figure $70 per month for carfare and (conservatively) $250 for food/sundries. That leaves you $1430. Gas and electric might run $130 per month, leaving $1300. That's about what rent is on a small apartment. You can sometimes find a studio apartment in the outer boroughs for under $1000, but forget about anything less than that unless you're really lucky. I'm not even budgeting here for clothes, entertainment, computers, Internet service, cable TV, retirement savings, or student loans. If you want to live like a human being in New York, meaning a decent-sized apartment in a decent neighborhood, have some extras, maybe open an IRA each year, figure you need to earn $50,000.

P.S. Not everyone in NYC who can't afford to live here can or would want to relocate somewhere where living is cheaper. In fact, I've noticed that the traditionally much less expensive suburbs already cost more to live in now than many parts of the city. A home in Long Island or New Jersey now costs as much as one in the city, and the taxes are far higher (plus you need to own a car). The only places where it's really cheap to live, like upstate New York for one, simply don't have jobs. They're fine for retirees looking to cut expenses, but seriously nobody else will move someplace where the only jobs are waiting tables.

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eHurtley, methinks your tax figure is a bit high. Most people earning around $10k-$14k end up paying zero income tax, which leaves SS, medicare/medicaid and state and local. If that adds up to anywhere near 1/3, there is something seriously wrong.

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Guys, much depends on who will be the candidates for the next election clash. If the Democrats start early on investigating the perfect candidate and the current trends of Bush/Republicans continue, it should be a clear Democrat victory.

& udaman, you sick dude. Stop posting mentioning me in your posts!!! :angry:

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"& udaman, you sick dude. Stop posting mentioning me in your posts!!!"

LOL he seems to have a disorder, he mentions me as much or more, nothing stops him. :(:lol:

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Good to know you're his favorite now. If you look up to my posts' history you will notice this guy was stalking me! fool.gif

Definitely an old-dog from StorageForum... These dudes used to haunt me. shock.gif

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"& udaman, you sick dude. Stop posting mentioning me in your posts!!!"

LOL he seems to have a disorder, he mentions me as much or more, nothing stops him.  :(  :lol:

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Good to know you're his favorite now. If you look up to my posts' history you will notice this guy was stalking me! fool.gif

Definitely an old-dog from StorageForum... These dudes used to haunt me. shock.gif

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Fellow overly sensitive duplicitous hypocritical types who can't take their own medicine wussies xSTLx & Prof. Wiz unite! You immature 'adults', biased, prejudicial bigots... really, really crack me up! I guarantee you others here will agree, they just won't waste the time addressing your immature sensitivities.

And as f_vo would say (and honold too if he were still bothered to post on boring rerun threads like these politics Dems v Reps again, which is what f_vo's thread has degenerated into OT) ... 'and you too, are easily pleased' ;) Hmm, your post history Prof. Wiz? Umm, prior to your leaving SR for a spell, I had made less than 100 posts total compared to all the crap you and xSTLx put up on the SR B&G this is laughable. But both of you wussy big cry babies would can't take a dose of your own medicine, claiming I was stalking Prof. Wiz.; both or you exaggerate in the extreme like your running for office next month! Lazy ass Prof. Wiz, please count the total posts your claim represent my stalking you, itemize each of those posts of which you make such ridiculous accusations, so all can see what a cry baby of a fraud you truly are. ROFL, ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?

Kettle calling the pot black; I can give countless examples of both Prof. Wiz & xSTLx's at their hypocritical best. I know what 'honold' would say, cause he's not as nice a guy as I am. I keep mentioning f_vo, jtr and HTMK in my posts, but maybe they are Belgian (oops jtr is American...but if you can even remember, he once said he felt like a foreigner living in NYC) and have not decades more to grow up like you two do.

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Udaman, don't even try you know you obsess over everything me, prof wiz, and some others do and say, perpetually mentioning our names in your threads like some deranged stalker. Poor Honald not being here to fend off your cupidity for him, you claim him your collaborator, but how are we to know his side, do you speak for him, do you have power of attorney? Udaman, are you delusional, the man has been inactive since June 2nd, and you still routinely mention him, you must be a sick humorist, or you are just maniacal.

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“Living wage†is determined by minimum wage, which is determined by the government to be a wage sufficient to provide the necessities and comforts essential to an acceptable standard of living.  I am sure Walmart does not pay less them minimum wage.

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Well, in most states, the minimum wage is not a 'living' wage. In many states, if you are only making minimum wage (even full time,) you are below the poverty line, and eligible for welfare assistance, food stamps, etc.

Oregon has the second-highest minimum wage in the nation ($7.25, behind number one Washington by only $0.10. Although a quick check reveals that San Francisco, CA is a whopping $8.50 for some businesses.) And in Portland, even if you live in one of the 'slummy' suburbs, minimum wage is barely enough to pay for a two-bedroom apartment and food. ($7.25 times 40 times 4 equals $1160 every four weeks.) I choose two-bedroom because many full-time min-wage workers are people with families, including single parents. After taxes (1/3 or $386, dirt-cheap rent $400, and modest food expenses $100, this leaves less than $275 a month for such 'luxuries' as electricity, phone, car payments/insurance, and more. If you replace 'car' with Portland's extremely good public transit, whose monthly pass is $62, you can save a little, but this still leaves only about $200.

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Minimum wage in Missouri is $5.15 which is $824 per month, at that low of pay you would only pay city of saint louis tax which is about $2 per week. Got to love America's heartland, there are plenty of jobs available for those who 'want to work.' Our Metro public transportation pass can get you on the bus or subway for $15.50 per week or $50 per month. http://www.metrostlouis.org/Passes/fareinformation.asp

Wow those apartment prices are high. I know of Apartments in downtown Saint Louis that many of my employees live in that come furnished and include gas, electric, and water (water free in city of saint louis anyway) for $200 per month which is less then 25% of income at minimum wage. Homes in the "slummy" areas can be had for the low 10's of thousands. That makes a 30 year mortgage payment around $83 per month. http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/HomeListin...a&ss_mitm=n%2Fa

Making home ownership very possible at minimum wage. If the place you are living is not affordable to your situation what is wrong with relocating? Humans have been doing it since our creation when the need arises. If you struggle to make ends meet where you’re at and you don't relocate because you 'don't want to' its then your own problem, the government should not have to 'take care of you' because 'you don't want to.' Isn’t it wonderful we live in America where we have such choices, but perhaps we don't understand how important those choices are and how nice it is to be free to make them, maybe some certain flag burners should remember. :(

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There's a lot of love in this thread.

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Well Sivar, i hope there are a lot of women here then. I hate to think this is only for men..... :rolleyes:

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Good to know you're his favorite now. If you look up to my posts' history you will notice this guy was stalking me! fool.gif

Definitely an old-dog from StorageForum... These dudes used to haunt me. shock.gif

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Well, my biggest problem is not "being his favorite," him continually posting about me, or him insulting me, the truly scary part is that he insults my various family members and does the stalking posts thing about them constantly as well, he does not even know them, has never talked to them, and they do not post on this forum yet he insults and stalks them as well. He is truly deranged. :(

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1) Well maybe not send jobs overseas, but did increase demand for made in (insert favorite overseas country here) products, thus creating more overseas jobs.  The biggest problem of NAFTA is this China / India / you get the idea can now ship goods into Mexico for cheap rates then have ‘final assembly’ in Mexico and get it into the US under NAFTA and save a pile of money.  In another case they can send car parts into Mexico then export them to the US for ‘final assembly’ and claim that car is made in America, ouch.

4) What’s wrong with helping businessmen and investors, that creates jobs and helps economy more jobs @ less tax rate = more $ then less jobs @ slightly higher tax rate.  What’s wrong with helping people (anyone) start business with low interest rates, all interest both ways has been lower, and this helps create jobs and help people be successful...

5) Well yeah, but we should kill all the benefits and make the free loaders work.

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Don't you be saying this crap to your republican friends, they would accuse you of being a liberal and kick you out.

One little correction. GM last year got more money from the Government in Grants and tax subsidies than was paid out for welfare recipents over the last twenty years. Also, unemployment is paid for by businesses, not tax money. The government just administers it.

http://www.corporations.org/welfare/

http://www.progress.org/banneker/cw.html

http://www.citizen.org/congress/welfare/index.cfm

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"Don't you be saying this crap to your republican friends, they would accuse you of being a liberal and kick you out.

One little correction. GM last year got more money from the Government in Grants and tax subsidies than was paid out for welfare recipents over the last twenty years. Also, unemployment is paid for by businesses, not tax money. The government just administers it."

:) I don't really care what my Republican or Democrat friends say (I do have both) I have my own views I don't follow the flock of either party 'blindly over bridges' I consider myself middle of the road and enjoy taking the best from both parties. Makes for better debate with friends as well.

I agree, I had brain fart, businesses do pay the unemployment benefits, however I do believe the extended benefits are paid by state correct?

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udaman, I'm not lazy because I simply refuse to take part to your silly game. At least, some time ago, you used to take part less in this board, sticking your ugly head only when you were forgetting to take your medication.

Probably you didn't agree in a couple of points I made in the past, that's eligible. But don't mention me in every darn thread you want to bash the European Union (calling me 'Eurotrash' and the likes). We're not responsible for your personal issues.

Get along.

@xSTLx,

you're right. He doesn't like you. :P

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