xSTLx

Video Surveillance with pc.

Recommended Posts

Well I am looking for opinions on something. I am getting a 14" security monitor and 2 night vision cameras from Home Depot later today. I wanted to post a link to the product but home depot has it in store but not on their website :blink: anyway it comes with the cameras and a method to view them on the monitor, but it comes with no method of recording the video stream. So instead of buying a vcr that will only give me up to 6 hours on a tape or spending piles on a special security tape machine, I will do it the fun way and integrate it into my computer system.

Heres the question. This thing has s video out and I want to record the video straight to a hard drive on my computer during the late night, morning, and while im at work. File size does not matter because I have about 250 gigs of room and will be deleting the file after every about 10 hour recording session unless of course something happens. This setup will watch the outside of my home. So there are 2 cameras and they will be ran in split screen and I want to record to the computer in real time in 10 hour sessions. So Im hoping for suggestions on both a cheap or shareware software to do this and also a cheap card to capture the video from the s video. My only other real concern will be that I will have to use my computer for other things while recording, so the software should use less then half of my system resources, and be able to be minimized while still recording.

Thanks in advance. :D

Edited by xSTLx

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

ZoneMinder ( http://www.zoneminder.com/ ) is an astounding piece of freeware that runs on Linux. It does require a dedicated server, but a cheap one will do, and the extremely cheap bttv capture boards work with it. The front end is web-based and it is very powerful! It captures all the time, but doesn't save video unless motion is detected. Then it creates video streams, lets you do frame by frame analysis, and so on. And I'm just scratching the surface...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe this is too bit late, but consider getting networked cameras? Using a MPEG stream over the network is probably easier than fiddeling with analog signals over coax cables.... And cabling distances can be much longer.

/Jesper

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Maybe this is too bit late, but consider getting networked cameras? Using a MPEG stream over the network is probably easier than fiddeling with analog signals over coax cables.... And cabling distances can be much longer.

/Jesper

207556[/snapback]

No not to late at all, this is exactly why I do research before I buy. What do you suggest with the networkes cameras? Price is an issue here, I am getting the 14" monitor and 2 night vision cameras for $200 at home depot, would the network camera setup cost me more then this?

thanks for all the help so far everyone. :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Also I need night vision cameras, do they make network night vision cameras that are weatherproof?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok what do you all think of this solution?

I am thinking about getting this a X800 XT All In Wonder ATI card:

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_in...9111&pfp=BROWSE

I can grab it at Compusa on the way home and be hooked up tonight.

This offers a few advantages for me. Right now I have a 5900 ultra that occupies 2 slots then I will have to add a pci video capture card (any suggestions) this will take up 3 slots. But if I get this All In Wonder I will have a better video card and my capture in a single slot and will free up my other slots for other fun toys. :D

Sure this will cost me but right now I can write his purchase off as a security solution right :) and it wont be considered a toy.

But I have a question for those who know about all in wonders. Will I be able to capture video from the cameras while I'm playing a 3d game? Will I be able to do both at the same time and have both functions operating well? I want to make sure this card will handle both across my 4X agp slot before buying a $400 card and being disappointed.

thanks :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Forgot to ask.

Also would this card come bundled with some software that will be able to capture from the cameras across the s video?

And if so will the software be a system hog?

thanks :D

Edited by xSTLx

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Network cameras tend to be expensive for home users -- good ones anyway. Also, beware that most network cameras use CMOS sensors that will likely fry in direct sunlight. For outdoor use you should stick with CCD sensors. As far as "night vision" goes, any B&W surveillance camera can do night vision if you have a source of infrared illumination. IR illuminators are available all over the cost spectrum. B&W cameras are also more light sensitive to begin with than color.

There are even color/B&W cameras that do night vision by switching to B&W at night and cutting out the IR filter.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There are some cheap (under $100) bttv cards that can capture 4 channels of video in a single PCI slot. They won't capture all channels at once @ 30fps, but you can still get more than adequate frame rates for security. I wish I could comment on the ATI cards, but I've never touched one. (And I use mostly Linux anyway.)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Another thing to consider is wiring.

You can get inexpensive baluns that will let you run video & power over cat5 cable to your cameras -- much easier to wire than RG6. Most "real" surveillance cameras use AC power supplies too. That accomplishes 2 things: 1) much lower voltage loss over long runs of power cable, and 2) keeps the video refresh sync'd to the powerline somehow. You should be able to get a nice B&W AC powered camera for $60-80 from one of the many online CCTV shops. They use interchangable lenses, too. Remember the tradeoffs between wide apertures (excellent light sensitivity) and medium ones (good depth of field).

One of my cameras has an F/1.0 lens, and it has basically no depth of field. It's useless for generall scene surveillance.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

xSTLx,

If those cameras are the ones I think they are (I've been spending a lot of time in Home Depot lately), they really aren't all that well suited for covering a large scale outdoor area. They are really suited for watching babies in their rooms, etc.

You should take a look at specially formulated outdoor cameras, which you can find here. Notice that the price of such a camera is itself $170. Just for point of comparison - the Panasonic that I linked to has 70 IR LEDs for illumination, the Home Depot cameras have 6 or 8. The Panasonic is labled for 90 feet of outdoor coverage - you certainly won't get that from HD's Lastly, if you are planning on runnnig this thing via your computer anyway, why on earth would you want to spend money on a 14" tube monitor?

Check out the other pages on NewEgg for more ideas...

Future Shock

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

network wireless camaras are expensive. okay for indoor ,rooms and and walkway . not good for outdoor. poor vision depth.

have you ever consider those basic tiny wirelss spy camara that can be installed in some kind of ceiling base that can be seen in shops and supermarkets and also battery operated.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi xSTLx,

I don't think you can do what you want to do, fairly inexpensive.

I have worked on one installation (8 camera's - 4 suited for star-light operation, Plus DVR), and it wasn't cheap.

The DVR itself was just over AU$3000 (including hardware + software), plus cameras on top.

OzSpy (an Australian Company) specialises in this sort of stuff, and for a 4port analogue card + software goes for AU$545. Normal CCTV cameras can be used, lowering the cost.

The software is top-notch, with movement detection, 1 or 2 sec frame's (that is 1 frame every 1 or 2 secs), which can be dynamically increased on detected movement up to 30fps. Remote viewing (via web-browser), or if on the DVR view all cameras at once, including picture in picture. Auto backup to DVD or Tape, cyclic recording periods, etc.

Most PCI TV Cards can only handle a single input, so that means 1 card per camera (if analogue) (or get the 4port model that Bicster touched on), or you buy a heap of network-enabled cameras. But as mentioned they are not suited for wet-area/outdoor use.

Anyway, I hope you find what you are looking for.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If you do go for the ATI All-In-Wonder, you can get a second ATI TV Wonder (TV-tuner-only PCI card,) and ATI's software will support recording from both at the same time. So you could have two independent inputs recording to two separate files.

ATI's software supports fairly high-compression formats that could get you your 10 hours on each easily. You can even set it to record specific times automatically (a la TiVo.) The thing to remember is to set the 'channel number' to 'S-Video Input'.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I am getting the 14" monitor and 2 night vision cameras for $200 at home depot, would the network camera setup cost me more then this?

Uhmn, yes, almost certainly. I don't know what el cheapo cameras can be had for, but just one Axis indoor camera costs 200 USD or more. Their outdoor models are very much more expensive, around 1000 USD, so Bicsters comments on sensors wearing out in sunlight seems right on. You could try browsing www.axis.com and especially the ZoneMinder.com forums for knowledge?

/Jesper

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
xSTLx,

If those cameras are the ones I think they are (I've been spending a lot of time in Home Depot lately), they really aren't all that well suited for covering a large scale outdoor area.  They are really suited for watching babies in their rooms, etc. 

You should take a look at specially formulated outdoor cameras, which you can find here.  Notice that the price of such a camera is itself $170.  Just for point of comparison - the Panasonic that I linked to has 70 IR LEDs for illumination, the Home Depot cameras have 6 or 8.  The Panasonic is labled for 90 feet of outdoor coverage - you certainly won't get that from HD's  Lastly, if you are planning on runnnig this thing via your computer anyway, why on earth would you want to spend money on a 14" tube monitor? 

Check out the other pages on NewEgg for more ideas...

Future Shock

207611[/snapback]

Thanks for the advice FS. The cameras I am looking at are the Lorex. It is 2 night vision cameras and the monitor in the red and black box, if you have seen them. I think I know what your talking about, there is a smaller setup, 1 camera and a 7" monitor there to be used for watching babies etc. They claim the one im looking at is for use outdoors (weatherproof) and will work at night. If I or they are wrong and this is not a good setup please let me know. That Panasonic Camera is very nice :) , your right the ones at home depot appear to have a total of 7 leds per camera.

There a 2 reasons I want the 14" tubes as well (Im planning on buying 2 of these setups). I want one tube, screen split 4 ways in the livingroom and one in the bedroom, so when I hear a sound outside I can look at a monitor at more then one location in my home. True my computer is also in the living room but I want to be able to look at the monitor to view the cameras while my computer monitor is turned off and also when I have the program recording the cameras minimized while web surfing or game play etc.

thanks for all the help so far :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Hi xSTLx,

I don't think you can do what you want to do, fairly inexpensive.

I have worked on one installation (8 camera's - 4 suited for star-light operation, Plus DVR), and it wasn't cheap.

The DVR itself was just over AU$3000 (including hardware + software), plus cameras on top.

OzSpy (an Australian Company) specialises in this sort of stuff, and for a 4port analogue card + software goes for AU$545. Normal CCTV cameras can be used, lowering the cost.

The software is top-notch, with movement detection, 1 or 2 sec frame's (that is 1 frame every 1 or 2 secs), which can be dynamically increased on detected movement up to 30fps. Remote viewing (via web-browser), or if on the DVR view all cameras at once, including picture in picture. Auto backup to DVD or Tape, cyclic recording periods, etc.

Most PCI TV Cards can only handle a single input, so that means 1 card per camera (if analogue) (or get the 4port model that Bicster touched on), or you buy a heap of network-enabled cameras. But as mentioned they are not suited for wet-area/outdoor use.

Anyway, I hope you find what you are looking for.

207619[/snapback]

If you do go for the ATI All-In-Wonder, you can get a second ATI TV Wonder (TV-tuner-only PCI card,) and ATI's software will support recording from both at the same time.  So you could have two independent inputs recording to two separate files.

ATI's software supports fairly high-compression formats that could get you your 10 hours on each easily.  You can even set it to record specific times automatically (a la TiVo.)  The thing to remember is to set the 'channel number' to 'S-Video Input'.

207630[/snapback]

Ok there seems to be a communication problem on how I will be setting this up, or how the system works. I want to clarify so that I can get better advice on setting it up.

Whats really cool about this system is that all 4 cameras will operate off a single wire from the monitor, this wire sends the power to the camera and also sends the video from the camera to the monitor, all 4 cameras will connect to the monitor via these cables and the monitor will split all four cameras on the screen, the monitor is going to be doing most of the work for me. The whole system goes to the monitor and the monitor has a s video out. All I have to do is record the single s video out. I could do this with a single vcr but the vcr does not allow enough time on a vhs tape, and security vcrs cost more then the all in wonder. So I will take the s video out from the monitor and split it to another monitor and also the all in wonder for recording on the computer. I will only have a single s video signal so I will not need multiple input cards or analog cards or anything like that. All I need is a single s video input card and a program to record a single s video stream to a single file on a hard drive.

I really hope this clarifies this whole mess if there are any more questions please ask. :D

Do this system sound like a good plan?

Thanks for all the help so far guys. :)

Edited by xSTLx

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Also I am looking for another cheap or freeware software for another part of the system. When I am creating the file on the hard drive inside the computer is there a software that will keep a constant raid 1 backup to a usb drive elsewhere in my home.

Let me explain:

Someone sees my cameras and breaks into my home. They see all the security stuff recording to the computer, so they steal the computer and they think they are taking all the evidence of them ever being there along with them, thus no evidence. But they will most likely start ripping cables from the back of the machine without checking where they go, if I have a usb hard drive lets say in my basement (rigged to the computer upstairs by usb>lan>usb adaptor to make the distance they will not see it (ill hide it behind something useless) and I will keep a backup image of the video file with a software raid 1 and have my evidence.

Does this sound possible?

Thanks :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm hoping someone will answer this without me having to post a new topic.

If some may have noticed the 6800 ultra has disappeared from my sig. :(

Turns out the single game it seems to have problems with is the one I play the most, about 90% of my gaming time is spent on planetside. Well turns out a google search confirmed my fears, 6800 ultra takes a crap after about 1/2 hour of planetside play, and in a 12 hour session this can be very annoying. So bye bye to the 6800 ultra and welcome back 5900 Ultra.

So the next question is this.

Because of this security system I will be possibly going to the ATI all in wonder X800 XT so I dont have to put another card in my already cramped computer.

(5900 ultra = 2 slots) + (pci capture card = 1 slot) = 3 slots

while

X800 XT all in wonder = 1 slot

Both configurations complete the same task. So its obvious only using 1 slot is better for room and air flow.

So I'm really hoping someone has a X800 and can tell me how it really performs. Any problems? Run games well? Etc? Kind of a mini review would help me out. And how does the X800 stack up against Nvidia cards? Anyone tried both?

Thanks :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I'm hoping someone will answer this without me having to post a new topic.

.....so I dont have to put another card in my already cramped computer.

So I'm really hoping someone has a X800 and can tell me how it really performs.  Any problems?  Run games well?  Etc?  Kind of a mini review would help me out.  And how does the X800 stack up against Nvidia cards?  Anyone tried both?

Thanks  :)

207742[/snapback]

Post a new topic ;) ?

Why if you post a few more, and then make replies to each and every of my 190 or so posts over the last 2years, after reading through them thoroughly ;-) ; by the end of the weekend, you can get your daily average posts from the now rising (what is it up to now? 8.9/day) and break the magical 10/day barrier...woot!

'Slots? We don't need no stinking slots!' (ah never mind, it's a joke about this movie you've probably never seen or heard about, before your time.... come to think about it, it's before my time... so how is it I know sooo much ;-) ).

USB 2.0 might work (now there was a review link, but since it might inadvertently prompt another revival of old/dead/tired SR thread posting by xSTLx, I'm not mentioning it ;-) ). But then by the time you've read this, I'm sure your hyperactive mode will have made you buy, buy, buy.

Hey, they even use Apple products in their pics for the ad. Click on link that says "Picture" (for ya n00bs) for closeup pics of the device I/O.

Not sure if you can get this in Korean only though; have no idea how much this costs. What about warranty/service? Guess you could just by something else at the point, like a good American conspicuous consumer.

http://www.savitmicro.co.kr/eng/product/vi...z%20u%20dvr.htm

Both those cards will have been reviewed on hundreds of different websites. Virtually all of the major ones also have them. Look around.

207749[/snapback]

Do I detect a note/tone of irritation, hehe. You could have at least given xSTLx a link to popular gameboy review sites :lol: might have keep him busy, like the Borg and the M$ 'fun pack' ;-)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Someone sees my cameras and breaks into my home.  They see all the security stuff recording to the computer, so they steal the computer and they think they are taking all the evidence of them ever being there along with them, thus no evidence.  But they will most likely start ripping cables from the back of the machine without checking where they go, if I have a usb hard drive lets say in my basement (rigged to the computer upstairs by usb>lan>usb adaptor to make the distance they will not see it (ill hide it behind something useless) and I will keep a backup image of the video file with a software raid 1 and have my evidence.

Does this sound possible?

Thanks  :)

207649[/snapback]

Why not get a program like Gotcha! which records only when motion is detected, will page you, send you email. http://www.gotchanow.com/index.html

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Both those cards will have been reviewed on hundreds of different websites. Virtually all of the major ones also have them. Look around.

207749[/snapback]

I'm hoping someone will answer this without me having to post a new topic.

.....so I dont have to put another card in my already cramped computer.

So I'm really hoping someone has a X800 and can tell me how it really performs.  Any problems?  Run games well?  Etc?  Kind of a mini review would help me out.  And how does the X800 stack up against Nvidia cards?  Anyone tried both?

Thanks  :)

207742[/snapback]

Post a new topic ;) ?

Why if you post a few more, and then make replies to each and every of my 190 or so posts over the last 2years, after reading through them thoroughly ;-) ; by the end of the weekend, you can get your daily average posts from the now rising (what is it up to now? 8.9/day) and break the magical 10/day barrier...woot!

'Slots? We don't need no stinking slots!' (ah never mind, it's a joke about this movie you've probably never seen or heard about, before your time.... come to think about it, it's before my time... so how is it I know sooo much ;-) ).

USB 2.0 might work (now there was a review link, but since it might inadvertently prompt another revival of old/dead/tired SR thread posting by xSTLx, I'm not mentioning it ;-) ). But then by the time you've read this, I'm sure your hyperactive mode will have made you buy, buy, buy.

Hey, they even use Apple products in their pics for the ad. Click on link that says "Picture" (for ya n00bs) for closeup pics of the device I/O.

Not sure if you can get this in Korean only though; have no idea how much this costs. What about warranty/service? Guess you could just by something else at the point, like a good American conspicuous consumer.

http://www.savitmicro.co.kr/eng/product/vi...z%20u%20dvr.htm

Both those cards will have been reviewed on hundreds of different websites. Virtually all of the major ones also have them. Look around.

207749[/snapback]

Do I detect a note/tone of irritation, hehe. You could have at least given xSTLx a link to popular gameboy review sites :lol: might have keep him busy, like the Borg and the M$ 'fun pack' ;-)

207753[/snapback]

Someone sees my cameras and breaks into my home.  They see all the security stuff recording to the computer, so they steal the computer and they think they are taking all the evidence of them ever being there along with them, thus no evidence.  But they will most likely start ripping cables from the back of the machine without checking where they go, if I have a usb hard drive lets say in my basement (rigged to the computer upstairs by usb>lan>usb adaptor to make the distance they will not see it (ill hide it behind something useless) and I will keep a backup image of the video file with a software raid 1 and have my evidence.

Does this sound possible?

Thanks  :)

207649[/snapback]

Why not get a program like Gotcha! which records only when motion is detected, will page you, send you email. http://www.gotchanow.com/index.html

207754[/snapback]

Thanks for the help fdisk. Unlike some of you (Udaman and qasdfdsaq) who just want to hijack my thread to prevent me from getting help with my questions, thus why you 2 were neck and neck for my jerk award. Perhaps you two were mistrested as children and this is why your so unhappy? Just a thought.

Everyone else help is welcome thanks for all the help so far. :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Calling us jerks for trying to help you really isn't going to get you anywhere. Obviously you are the jerk. How is answering your question hijacking your thread?

On another note, learn to spell, and learn to use forums. Accusing others of being mistreated as children is particularly imbecile and childish of you. Also, despite you posting a rediculous amount of useless bullcrap, you still manage to quote over ten times as much per post than you actually write, making your average post longer than the averate thread. Going around being an obnoxious little stinker and accusing others of being "mistreated as children", "neck and neck for my jerk award", and "hijack[ing] [your] thread to prevent me getting help" is completely out of order. You obviously need to speak to someone who cares.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now