warmonger

Where'd everybody go?

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Just having a quick look through the computing forum, it seems like many of the regulars are gone, or at least not posting nearly as much. I know I haven't been around here much lately.

Is it just my imagination, or does it seem like there's been an extended lull in computing for the last 6 months to a year? Aside from Nvidia and ATI, it doesn't seem like there's been a whole lot of progress. CPU's seem to be dead in the water as far as actual performance goes, hard drives are at roughly the same capacity (although performance is still increasing somewhat), and 1 GB RAM really does look like enough, at least until Longhorn arrives.

Anyway, since there hasn't been much going on here, I've been spending most of my time over at the KVR forums, and also getting into anime.

What have you guys been up to?

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Mmm...anime. :)

I'm working two jobs and going to grad school...not much time left for posting anymore.

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Finished grad school (hallelujah!) and still post here, but there isn't as much to talk about, unfortunately. I spend time on Ars still, plus a non-tech forum.

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Maybe it only feels like a tech lull because the world's just waiting for 500GB 15Krpm SATA2 drives :)

Personally, I'm waiting for the new media-centric PalmOne PDAs with integrated 4GB drives

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My studies seem to take more and more of my time. That and my ever-growing participation at SPCR. :ph34r:

The swarm of RAID0 questions last fall made the forums quite boring to read for me (and probably to many others too).

Cheers,

Jan

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I think that pretty much everyone moved on and got bored with the same old issues. The computing forum should probably be made to act like bugzilla and require a search before you can post. I just don't have the time to hit the forums anymore. Between work, seeing bands, playing guitar, ballroom dancing, modeling, vocal lessons and travel, I'm completely booked. I get home around 6 and the phone rings constantly till 9. It's hard to stay organized.

Frank

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Well, the fact that StorageReview hasn't a review in almost 3 months (and it was over a month before that for the previous,) and only one "we're still alive" update in the same 3 months, people probably just aren't visiting as often as they used to.

Extreme political partisanship in the B&G probably is making this section feel more hostile; and, yes, there just isn't much happening in computers.

Although with dual-core, desktop 64-bit, BTX form factor, next gen video chips, and eventually next-gen hard drives coming, the next 6 months should be a LITTLE more active. (Still not truly exciting, though.)

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I think that pretty much everyone moved on and got bored with the same old issues.  The computing forum should probably be made to act like bugzilla and require a search before you can post.  I just don't have the time to hit the forums anymore.  Between work, seeing bands, playing guitar, ballroom dancing, modeling, vocal lessons and travel, I'm completely booked. I get home around 6 and the phone rings constantly till 9.  It's hard to stay organized.

Frank

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Heh, maybe honold did like BBH; went and married his sweetie? That could explain his absence recently. Or maybe he's finally gone and moved to the freakin', scorching hot desert wasteland of a town, Scottsdale, Arizona???

Then again, since I've got less than 1/10th the number of posts as BBH in about the same time, could be that lots of people are busy with 'real life'. Then again, as I've said before the MacRumors forums are bigger/more active, more interesting range of silly topics... so. How about Jan Sivar, and his 'skiving' (damned English/British...they can't even speak English properly ;) ). I read that thread, which could be related to this threads topic, but damned those MacRumors peeps are so friggin spoiled, 30+ days/year paid vacation!

12 weeks skiving a year!?. And so that means over the last few years, honold's spent how much of his life wasted on SR Forums :blink:

When has the pace of tech slowed down recently? Only thing that may never come to be on SR, is those damned promised laptop drive tests...before I leave SR for good. (hey, but if BBH or honold read this, I've got a few slightly different takes/POV's on some 'new' boring "issues". What exactly are brand new issues anyway, isn't it all boring or maybe for BBH & I, just cynical/jaded from life's experience, since we know that the average person has very little input or influence/control over anything but our own solitary lives? We can't all be the Pope or President of the USA, or Nobel Prize winning inventors/researchers, industrial giants/leaders of governments that actually can influence changes, in a generation of life time of the average human being?

Another reason, too many Winblows users here. Steve-O, fearless LEADER, Jobs; has this year anointed this as the year of HD (HiDef) being the forward thinking hypester he is ;-)

IBM cell chips and H.264 figure significantly in Apple's near future, ah who cares what's happening on the Winblows side, most creative people in the music/movie/graphics industries still use Apple product.

http://www.macosrumors.com/

http://www.macosrumors.com/20050403.php

So, Apple's doing well know, mostly on sales of iPods, for which the tide will eventually ebb as it always does. Still we have lots of new product coming down the pike related to computing/hardware. Panasonic will announce an under $10k, semi-pro level handheld camcorder, which uses 4-16GB SD memory arrays as the recording medium---death to the tape formats!!!--- that does capture with the DVCPro HD compression format, that which their popular 720p Varicam-corder does now at $75,000 a pop. JVC has the high-end of the lower end of what will become the consumer/prosumer HD market with the HDV format---with a pro-level shoulder mount HDV camcorder----much more compression than DVCPro HD, but HDTV and other modes of distribution, including the new DVDHD disks, dueling formats again like Sony Beta vs. JVC VHS, use this highly compressed format for HD delivery. Car before the wheel, but soon enhanced LCD or OELD displays for both computers and as big-screen TV's will make it possible for a majority of TV watchers to migrate to HDTV, when costs come down to under $500 for the smaller screens. And hell, most of this equipment will eventually all be made in where else, China, not S. Korea, Japan, or Taiwan.

Read all about upcoming product releases at next week's NAB in Las Vegas.

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/article...le.jsp?id=31775

HD, especially uncompressed true high-resolution HD will bring the need for much faster CPU's and huge and fast storage media.

Bored and moved on? Hmm, but I was bored from the beginning, how can that be ;-). Maybe it's like the end of Star Trek:Enterprise, Andromeda (neither made it to the golden 7 seasons where you could count on big syndication royalties) series ending seasons, along with Smallville which was supposed to end this season, and therefore had ridiculous story-lines of 'skies the limit'. Etc, Etc. Things change, people find new interests... well except for Porn (yeah baby, now with all these new and inexpensive means of producing higher and higher resolution porn, where entering, figuratively ;-) a new paradigm or sex nirvana... and we can count on jtr never making it to Asia to hookup with the 'real' Asian babes (forget the spoiled Americanized versions, accept only the real thing!) while he gets older and older planning for trips he'll never take the risk to make. Kind of like my friend who's now turned 50, claims he's in great shape, could ski my ass off... yeah sure, this year in addition to last year's hypertension drugs, he added the expensive of cholesterol lowering drugs, instead of losing 30 pounds of flab that could allow him to be able to ski on bunny slopes for more than a few hours before he'd have to quit from exhaustion. I'll tell him to give up on any ideas/fantasies of 6ft tall, red-headed, big-breasted Asian women; his heart could even handle that little, skinny, shapely 5 foot tall Hong Kong born and raised Chinese cuttie we know that works part-time on weekends at the local HK seafood restaurant here in LA while she finishes up her degree studies in graphic arts at Cal State Long Beach. Even she's too much woman for my 'out-of-shape' aging fool of a friend who is in complete denial.

http://www.macrumors.com/

Apple due to open mega-retail store in mid-town Manhattan, NYC

http://www.appleinsider.com/news.php?id=988

And Britin-no Spears is preggers already! Will the burning both candles at their ends ddrueding be far behind with marriage and children?

I'm still kind of surprised at BBH giving the details of why he's not posting as much anymore, although I could have guessed as much. But from his refusal to state why/reasons that last time, I think this post is his more polite version. I would have just said the usual cynical/jaded; SR discussions are now/have been a bit too boring, for their futility such that I don't choose to waste my time posting here... ie. I have a real life. Of course I mean, :-). and I don't care what other people think, cause they usually thing the worst any way, right?

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Having given this topic a tiny bit more thought, and looking at my posting patterns, I've got to say that it's simply because discussion here is too focused. It's either tech support in the computing forums (with a bias toward hard disk related issues), or debates in the B&G.

I've been actively posting at another forum since September of last year, and I've already racked up 900 posts over there, while I'm not even half of that in almost 3 years of posting here. The differences between this forum and the other are many:

1) More active. This one is a no-brainer; there are many more active people posting over there, so there are inevitably more posts that interest me.

2) More character. The SR Computing forum has always struck me as being somewhat sterile. Sure, you'll have an occasional troll, and there are plenty of disagreements, but there's something I can't fully describe about this place that's different. It's like most of the posts are written by anonymous people. It's hard to get any sense of what people are like (or at least what their internet persona is like), so there are no real relationships formed.

3) News is more active. This is something that really is beyond anyone's control, but the news portion of the other forum has new items on a daily, or at least near daily basis. This is another obvious one; more news = more topics of discussion.

4) Posts are typically shorter. While there are many more posts, at times the other forum resembles an IRC chatlog more than a forum. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not, but it sure leads to more activity. I don't have a particularly short attention span, but shorter posts are appreciated by most people.

There are plenty of other differences, but I think these are the key reasons why I spend more time over there than anywhere else, and also why I visit SR about once or twice a day, a small fraction of what it used to be.

Clearly, real life is another issue, but I have just as much time to post as I used to, so it can't just be that.

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I'm leaving, sooner rather than later probably. I know, "hurry up and GO already!" are what many of you are saying...

Will be starting a new job in two weeks, and expect to disapear for at least a while while I figure it out and build it up.

SR has been a fixture in my life for the past few years...got me through losing one job, a while of unemployment, a divorce, and working most of the last year out of town alone in a hotel room.

But increasingly, it has grown stale - and that includes my posts as well. Maybe some new blood as moderator(s) will help things. I personally think Eugene's inability to participate in the discussions has hurt (I understand that he has some very good reasons for not having the time recently). A site owner kind of lends their own personality to the site, a la Tom's and Anand's.

Someone mentioned "sterile" above - I wonder if that includes my posts. It's hard to really get down and gory in discussion when you also have to hold the moral highground as a moderator (for when you need it). I know my first year's posts (before I became a mod) where much more virulent...maybe having frequent contributors as mods makes it self-censoring to too high a degree. Just a thought...but if I read my posts they do seem de-clawed...

Anyway, I'll be dogging it here for a week or two more, maybe more if my insomnia comes back when I start my job. :-)

Future Shock

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So where has everybody gone now? :)

I must admit that the Crash of '01 changed the feel of the site. And personally, two small children, hunting for a new job and renovating the house we bought 2 years ago doesn't leave that much time for other things. I used to be online a lot at home but now I usually post from work.

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So where has everybody gone now?  :)

I must admit that the Crash of '01 changed the feel of the site.  And personally, two small children, hunting for a new job and renovating the house we bought 2 years ago doesn't leave that much time for other things.  I used to be online a lot at home but now I usually post from work.

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On holiday for a couple of weeks, but then again, I never posted much in the B&G.

I agree with warmonger's assessment about the Computing Forum feeling a bit "sterile," though I'm more inclined to call it "bland." There hasn't been much for folks to get really excited about of late. I've been a member here almost as long as I've been one on Ars and I have *way* more posts there.

Still, I'll likely be here until the lights are turned off. :)

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...Someone mentioned "sterile" above - I wonder if that includes my posts.  It's hard to really get down and gory in discussion when you also have to hold the moral highground as a moderator (for when you need it).  I know my first year's posts (before I became a mod) where much more virulent...maybe having frequent contributors as mods makes it self-censoring to too high a degree.  Just a thought...but if I read my posts they do seem de-clawed...

FS, I wouldn't say you're adding to the "sterility" perceived by many. You devote more care and attention to diverse topics than is usual, even on issues few care to join in, and that can't be a bad thing. If the BBG forum is indeed degenerating into an uninvitingly partisan arena then perhaps I deserve more than the usual share of criticism here, what with all the politically-charged stuff I've been posting. Perhaps the more involved of SR's core audience feel its time for a change in tone and manner and do not want to put up with this mire. Well, there's a season for everything, and the times, they're a' changing...

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I have thought for some time that the environment at SR would benefit tremendously from a splitting of the off-topic forums into something akin in focus to the Lounge and the Soapbox forums at ArsTechnica. I also think stricter posting guidelines for the Computing forum would do wonders for the singal to noise ratio there.

Discussions involving politics, religion, and other controversial topics should be confined to SR's 'Soapbox' so that the B&G can return to the friendlier, more relaxed environment that it once was. The primary reason I don't post in the B&G anymore is that the crowd it attracts is so politically motivated in their posting style that discussion is almost invariably far from friendly. Stuff like this doesn't belong in any bar that I know of... You'd get thrown out of some bars in Halifax for talking about politics. I would love to be able to discuss things like good books, wine, beer, camping, pets and all sort of other things in a more relaxed environment. People can drop their gloves in the Soapbox, but elsewhere things can stay friendly. I genuinely believe that this sort of division could go a long way to making SR a community again.

The Computing forum has also degenerated terribly. The posting guidelines for this forum need to be revised to cut down on the flood of certain types of posts. The signal to noise ratio there is just out of control. Every second post is "HELP! RAID Performance Issues," or "xxx Company's Drives Fail & Suck" or "What's the Fastest Disk?" Drive reliability questions especially are a plague at the moment, and do nothing but take up space. Fastest drive questions should also be strongly discouraged; SR has an easy to use database and a leaderboard. Lastly, "Fix my RAID Performance" questions could be done away with a FAQ. These guidelines need to be stickied to the top of the forum where they are less likely to be ignored.

I have to admit though, I question whether it is possible to recover things, now that so many good posters have been turned off.

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I would like to add, for whatever it might be worth, that I would certainly post far more often if we could make a few simple changes to try and improve things.

I, and I have no doubt that there are many other individuals like me, just can't be bothered to search through the mess of topics in the Computing forum for the few that are worth paying attention to anymore. I still visit, and look nearly everyday, but I post much less frequently.

I am also confident that the majority of people who are interested in participating in a community in the B&G for off-topic discussion are strongly turned off by its present focus and its atmosphere.

I don't know what these ideas are worth to other people, but I thought I'd toss them out, one more time, while we're on the topic.

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[insanely great post deleted to save space]

I have to admit though, I question whether it is possible to recover things, now that so many good posters have been turned off.

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Gilbo,

Probably the most constructive criticisms I have read about the site in a long time. I see a lot of logic to it - of course, I don't run the site, I just try to ensure civility (usually). But if you don't mind I am going to cut and paste this in the moderator's forum (yeah, there is one) to ensure Eugene sees it, and of course credit and link to your original post.

I also believe that SR faces an uphill battle. On the other hand, Testbed 3 is now re-assembled, and we should have a number of new reviews coming down the road to help drive new traffic. Even if we can't get some of the older members back, we still have the potential to have a great site if we can fix the defects of the current one and retain members who come for the reviews. Your post was a great diagnostic in helping figure out how to fix it...

KEEP THE IDEAS COMING PEOPLE!

Future Shock

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