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    Lenovo W520 and Intel 510 SSD Warm Reboot Issue

    I now installed the latest BIOS 1.33 for the Lenovo W520, but the Intel 510 SSD Warm Reboot Issue still persists. I get the message "Active Protection Sensor Diagnostic Start" for 40 seconds (with the BIOS startup options set to "Diagnostic" mode). Active Protection Sensor (APS) is Lenovo's "airbag" function to protects the HDD. (it's not needed for SSD, but can't be turn it off in BIOS.) Lenovo does not seem to care, neither does Intel.
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    Lenovo W520 and Intel 510 SSD Warm Reboot Issue

    I installed the latest BIOS for the Lenovo W520, Version 1.25 The Intel 510 SSD Warm Reboot Issue still persists.
  3. I wonder why Intel recommends 16kb strip size for SSDs (in the RST Help section.) Perhaps your 64kb setting has something to do with your better performance? It would be great if you could do a RAID0 test comparing PCMarkVantage scores with modern SSDs and different strip sizes. EDIT: I found this: The reason smaller is better when it comes to stripe size on SSD RAIDs has to do with the nature of the storage medium combined with the mechanisms of RAID. I will explain in short here, and you can read up more for yourself you are more curious. Intel SSDs can do 90-100% of their sequential bandwidth with 16-32KB blocks @ QD 1, and at higher queue depths they can reach it at 8KB blocks. Harddisks on the other hand reach their maximum bandwidth around 64-128KB sequential blocks, and do not benefit noticably from increasing the queue depth. When you RAID-0, the files that are larger than the stripe size get split up in chucks equal in size to the stripe size and distributed amongs the units in the RAID. Say you have a 128KB file (or want to read a 128KB chunk of a larger file), this will get divided into 8 pieces when the stripe size is 16KB, and with 3 SSDs in the RAID this means 3 chunks for 2 of the SSDs, and 2 chukcs for the third. When you read this file, you will read 16KB blocks from all 3 SSDs at Queue Depth 2 and 3. If you check out ATTO, you will see 2x 16KB @ QD 3 + 1x 16KB @ QD 2 summarize to higher bandwidth than 1x 128KB @ QD 1. The bandwidth when reading or writing files equal to or smaller the stripe size will not be affected by the RAID. The sequential bandwidth of blocks of 1MB or larger will also be the same since the SSDs will be able to deliver max bandwidth with any stripe size since data is striped over all in blocks large enough or enough blocks to reach max bandwidth for each SSD. So to summarize, benefits and drawbacks of using a small stripe size: + Higher performance of files/blocks above the stripe size while still relatively small (<1MB) - Additional computational overhead from managing more blocks in-flight, although this is negligable for RAID-0. The added performance of small-medium files/blocks from a small stripe size can make a difference for OS/apps, and can be meassured in PCmark Vantage. PS: Someone did a test of 16kB vs 128kb here and the 16kb strip size got 10% faster sequential reads and 20% faster performance in PCMarkVantage: From: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4344222[/url
  4. Oh. good. So perhaps that isn't the reason for the 25% Read performance loss?
  5. re: "Using CrystalDiskMark, we measured an average sequential read speed of 1,103MB/s and a write speed of 643MB/s". With 2x240GB Intel 510s in my W520 (i7-2820) I am getting a write speed similar to yours (656MB/s), but 25% less (817 MB/s) sequential read. I don't think the small difference in CPU speed could account for that. I have attached the Intel SSD Toolbox report. Any ideas? EDIT: I may have just figured it out. I used the 128kb strip size when I set up the RAID, as recommended by Lenovo. But now I see that for SSDs a 16kb strip size is recommended. Arrrrgh! I don't think I can change it "on-the-fly". EDIT 2: EDIT: While Intel recommends 16kb strip size for SSDs, the reviewers here http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/976/RAID-0-Stripe-Sizes-Compared-with-SSDs-OCZ-Vertex-Drives-Tested/9#axzz1NUcjZxBV concluded that 128kb is best (at least for the Vertex 30GB). intel-510-ssd-toolbox-smart-report.txt
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    Lenovo W520 and Intel 510 SSD Warm Reboot Issue

    I have 2 Intel 510 SSDs in my W520 and I love it! Lenovo has still not fixed the 30-40 second warm boot delay. It has something to do with the "Active Protection Sensor Diagnostic". At least that is the message I see for 30-40 seconds when I set the BIOS startup options to "Diagnostic". (APS is the "airbag" function that prtotects the HDD. It is not needed for SSD, but I can't turn it off in BIOS.) In the meanwhile I just do a cold-reboot.
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    Lenovo W520 and Intel 510 SSD Warm Reboot Issue

    I have 2 Intel 510 SSDs in my W520 and I love it!
  8. I tried to run maintenance from the SSD Toolbox, but it would not let me. Then I found this: "The current implementation of the Intel® SSD Toolbox does not support SSDs installed as part of a RAID configuration." (from: http://download.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/intel_ssd_toolbox_fqa.pdf_ and: "Intel SSD Toolbox provides limited functionality for SSDs that are part of RAID and Dynamic Disks configurations with multiple partitions: Intel SSD Optimizer and Secure Erase are not supported in these configurations." (from: http://downloadmirror.intel.com/18455/eng/Intel_SSD_Toolbox_User_Guide_2.0.pdf) Is there another tool I can use?
  9. i7-2820QM NVIDIA Quadro 2000M 8GB RAM
  10. With the write-through cache enabled, the PCMarkVantage score is 19,105. http://3dmark.com/pcmv/444131;jsessionid=11zpy6a6xdahl?show_ads=true&page=%2Fpcmv%2F444131%3Fkey%3DEfznVR4YP2sHhLdn6wSJvQ5np4pdRa Still got to do some tweaking to get your 20,700 score... And these are the CrystalDiskMark results for my 2x240GB Intel 510 in RAID0:
  11. Thanks for your advice! I took the plunge and reinstalled everything from scratch and it works. My PCMarkVantage score with 2 240GB Intel 510s in RAID0 is 18,639 http://3dmark.com/pcmv/443968;jsessionid=6drg5c8nfo89?show_ads=true&page=%2Fpcmv%2F443968%3Fkey%3DbK7FHdXkXaANYq85dUU8ByrT5jv3sh In your tests, you have been getting a score of over 20,000. Can you share your secret? I have not (yet) turned the write-back cache on for the RAID0, perhaps that is the reason? Or I may need to give it some time to do its Garbage Collection after the heavy install? I tried to use TRIM through the SSD toolbox, but it won't let me do it in a RAID
  12. Thank you for your answer. I REALLY appreciate your help! Yes, the problem was that the Volume was created by a non-RAID W520. If I use the steps outlined here http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imsm/sb/CS-021701.htm Create a RAID Volume Follow these steps to create a RAID volume: Press Ctrl and I at the same time when the option ROM status screen displays during POST to open the option ROM user interface. Select 1: Create RAID Volume and press Enter. Use the up or down arrow keys to select the RAID level and press Enter. Use the up or down arrow keys to select the strip size and press Enter. Press Enter to select the physical disks. Use the up or down arrow keys to scroll through the list of hard drives and press Space to select the drive. Press Enter. Select the volume size and press Enter. Press Enter to create the volume. At the prompt press Y to confirm the volume creation. Select 4: Exit and press Enter. Press Y to confirm and exit. will I be able to keep the apps, data, preferences and settings? I am trying to avoid having to re-install all my apps, preferences, bookmarks etc. Or should I use the second SSD, make it a RAID Volume and then copy the apps and data over using Norton Gost or Acronis or Intel's SSD Migration Software? I am afraid that it may overwrite the drivers that make it into a RAID Volume. This is not easy ....
  13. I received my RAID enabled Thinkpad W520. I took out the Seagate drives and replaced them with the Intel 510 from the non-RAID W520 and a second (blank) Intel 510. The system runs fine with the single SSD. When I start up RST 10.1.0.1008 it recognizes both drives and suggests that I should create a raid volume. I follow the instructions, and it offers me the ability to create a RAID 0 while keeping the data from one of the disks. I click next, it says it is now creating the volume, which may take some tima. A few minutes later it stops with the message: "An unknown error occurred during the volume creation process. Please try creating the volume again." When I re-boot, I get a Windows BSOD with a "Driver_Power-State_Failure: and a "Stop: 0x0000009F" error code during shut-down of the system. I have the latest Lenovo BIOS (1.22) and RAID enabled in the BIOS. I have checked the SSDs using the Intel SSD Toolbox. Both SSD check out OK. I have tried for hours ... no go! What should I do? PS: Problem signature: Problem Event Name: BlueScreen OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48 Locale ID: 1033 Additional information about the problem: BCCode: 1000009f BCP1: 0000000000000004 BCP2: 0000000000000258 BCP3: FFFFFA8006CD3040 BCP4: FFFFF80000B9C3D0 OS Version: 6_1_7601 Service Pack: 1_0 Product: 256_1 Files that help describe the problem: C:\Windows\Minidump\051211-11107-01.dmp C:\Users\......\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-796572-0.sysdata.xml
  14. You are right! I re-ran the benchmark and now the PCMarkVantage result for the Vertex-3 is now 16,006 (about the same as the Intel 510) http://3dmark.com/pcmv/441442;jsessionid=py31my4977fv?show_ads=true&page=%2Fpcmv%2F441442%3Fkey%3DXdVxajqqEqk5SHRdFmxXaQ7KQL0NUt I decided to stick with the Intel 510 240GB and ordered a second Intel 510 240GB to put it in a RAID 0 to get a PCMarkVantage score close to the 20,700 you got in your W520 RAID 0 test. http://www.storagereview.com/lenovo_thinkpad_w520_review_first_thoughts 2 questions about RAID 0: 1. The instructions in the Lenovo Hardware Manual on creating a RAID 0 setup say: "All existing data will be erased while the RAID volume is being created." But the Intel RST site says: http://www.pentium.co.za/support/chipsets/imsm/sb/cs-016585.htm "a RAID ready system is a configuration that enables a seamless migration from one, non-RAID Serial ATA (SATA) drive, to a SATA RAID configuration. A reinstall of the operating system is not required." Can I can use my single SSD, install the RST drivers, switch the BIOS to RAID and then add a second SSD and migrate to RAID 0 without having to do a backup and restore? 2. Since TRIM is not supported within Intel Rapid Storage Technology RAID ( http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imsm/sb/CS-031491.htm ), will the 510 SSD drive controllers Garbage Collection be sufficent to maintain performance?
  15. I only have the BASIC PCMarkVantage license. I noticed that in your T420 review the Intel 510 PCMarkVantage scores were higher also. Someone at the W520 Owners Forum referred me to this link, which explains a lot to me: http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/568771-ocz-vertex-3-120gb-sata-iii-vs-intel-510-120gb-sata-iii-m17x-r3-2.html#post7354820
  16. I just ran the PCMarkVantage Benchmark on my W520. With the OCZ Vertex-3 I get: 14,307 http://3dmark.com/pcmv/441150;jsessionid=1u2bpqmyg5air?show_ads=true&page=%2Fpcmv%2F441150%3Fkey%3DPrhjNqLEZz9sn2cZTKfRFE0j7EF6Tx UPDATE: I re-ran the benchmark with NVIDIA enabled. The correct score for the Vertex-3 is 16,006 http://3dmark.com/pcmv/441442;jsessionid=py31my4977fv?show_ads=true&page=%2Fpcmv%2F441442%3Fkey%3DXdVxajqqEqk5SHRdFmxXaQ7KQL0NUt With the Intel 510 the score is better: 16,302 http://3dmark.com/pcmv/439951;jsessionid=1u0rpikc26ooy?show_ads=true&page=%2Fpcmv%2F439951%3Fkey%3DJbEHBr3MhRJeD2MqyY3jEDWPJw5YtP This is contrary to my Crystaldiskmark results and other OCZ Vertex vs. Intel 510 SSD benchmarks. Can you explain?
  17. Thanks! I should have a Vertex 3 to try in a week. I'll let you know those results too. (I have RST Version 10.1.0.1008.) To test the Vertex 3 I can just make a disk image of the Intel 510 (instead of a fresh install). Am I correct?
  18. I just installed a Intel 510 SSD (240GB) in my W520, in this sequence: 1. Fresh W7 install using the Lenovo Recovery Media. 2. Windows Update (including SP1) 3. Lenovo Update 4. Installed Intel RST from Lenovo site 5. ran CrystalDiskMark Results attached. Does it look OK? (When I manually restart windows, it takes about 10 sec to shut down, then it restarts and the Thinkvantage Logo comes up for 40 seconds (!) ("to interrupt normal startup press the blue Thinkvantage button"), then it takes about 15 sec for the Fingerprint log-on to come up, then about 10 seconds for Windows 7 to be ready to go. I am sure this can be speede up ...)
  19. There is no RAID option in my Thinkpad W520 BIOS either I only get a choice between "ACHI" and "Compatibility" mode. UEFI BIOS Version 1.06 BIOS Date 2011-03-02 Embedded Controller Version 1.08 Model:4270 CTO i7-2820QM NVIDIA Quadro 2000M 16GB RAM (4 DIMMs)
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    Lenovo ThinkPad T520 Review Discussion

    I understand. I am looking forward to the final test results. PS: Is it possible that a SSD manufacturer will "tune" an SSD specifically to show up well on a benchmark?
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    Lenovo ThinkPad T520 Review Discussion

    Is there an explanation that the T520 gets higher PC Mark Vantage overall score with the Intel 510 (14,092) than with the OCZ Vertex 3 (13,510), although the Vertex 3 gets much faster HDD scores? Is the Vertex 3 using up other computer resources that slow down the system and the overall throughput? Am I correct then if I conclude from this review that the Intel 510 is the best performance choice for the T520 (and W520)?
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    Lenovo W520 and Intel 510 SSD Warm Reboot Issue

    I opened a cmd window and typed in "wmic idecontroller get deviceid" and got: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C03&SUBSYS_21CF17AA_&REV_04\3&B1BFB68&0&FA This means I have "REV_04" which would indicate a B2 (buggy hardware) stepping (REV_05 is a newer stepping without the bugs) Per Intel's Product Change Notification, http://hw-lab.com/uploads/hardware/cpu/sb/pcn110456-00.pdf, the revised B3 was supposed to be shipping back in February. What is Lenovo doing sending out B2 QM67s on their high-end notebooks in April? This is very frustrating and disappointing.
  23. Brian, Did your OCZ-Vertex-3 fit into the Primary-Drive-Bay? http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/W-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/OCZ-Vertex-3-Mis-Fit-in-W510-520-Primary-Drive-Bay/td-p/418871 I am still evaluating between the OCZ-Vertex-3 and the Intel-510
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    Lenovo W520 and Intel 510 SSD Warm Reboot Issue

    I received my W520 (i7-2820QM) one week ago (on April 14) and it has the same versions as yours: UEFI BIOS Version 8BET30WW (1.06) UEFI BIOS Date: 2011-03-02 Embedded Controller Version 8AHT26WW (1.08) Machine Type Model 4270CTO
  25. I was referring to the Windows 7 Disk Image Tool (the Acronis link is where I learned about the 63 vs 64 offset) Does the Lenovo "Rescue and Recovery" restore both System and Data? (If so, I would not need the Windows 7 Disk Image Tool)