Kremmen

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  1. ya got 4TB for $20 HDD, ya got 1TB (SSD) for say $150-200 but 10x as fast/better...who is going to buy what?).

    Most people will buy what's cheap, as they always have done. Back when SCSI devices were much faster than IDE and used 10% of the CPU, what did 99% of PC users buy? IDE. Macs, however, have generally had SCSI built in. Apple users in general are prepared to pay a fortune for an Apple. (iPhone 4 is estimated to cost $US187.50 to make, but sells for 4-6 times that.) I'd wait to see whether Apple's predictions for their own market have any relevance to the wider market.


  2. I know it's old, but it's a whole family that seems to be missing.

    Manufacturer: Maxtor

    Family: Fireball 3

    Released: ??

    Notes:

    Model Name (product family): Fireball 3

    Model Number: 2F020J0/2F020L0,2F030J0/2F030L0,2F040J0/2F040L0

    Capacity: 20/30/40 gigabytes

    URL: http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/maxtor/en_us/documentation/manuals/fireball_3_manual.pdf

    Interface: ATA/133

    Spindle Speed: 5400 rotations per minute

    Seek: 12 milliseconds

    Buffer: 2000 kilobytes

    Density: 20/30/40 gigabytes per platter


  3. Spod writes:

    > I'd guess that the IDE controller built into the motherboard chipset

    > had more bandwidth available to the northbridge and CPU/RAM than the

    > early SATA controllers (even the ones soldered to the motherboard)

    > that would have shared the PCI bus with every other external chip and

    > PCI device.

    The bandwidth available is one potential bottleneck, but is not

    the only one. Some controllers are just slow.

    Quite right. I should have mentioned explicitly: The 80MB/s I get off a converter is when connected to a Promise PCI IDE card, so the PCI bandwidth restriction is identical.


  4. Well, Tualy' P3's weren't exactly common. I have a ton of Coppermines I'm tossing, but not so many Tualatins or even Tualer-ons. :P

    The fact that you have some is pretty awesome. :)

    Partly lucky. I've got one machine that I bought second hand, running a 1GHz coppermine P3. A couple of years ago, I checked the motherboard specs and saw it was designed to take P3-S chips too, so I grabbed a 1.4GHz P3-S for a buck or two from China. Funny enough, they are more expensive on ebay now! Runs really well. (... even though all the caps have burst.)


  5. Sadly I think the day and age for these products is largely past, but it is good to know. :)

    For those at the leading edge, sure. For those who just want to add more space on an old machine, or have a drive fail, they're more and more appealing the more SATA drives come down in price and improve in performance. (... given that PATA drives are generally around US$80 for 500GB as WD is about the only game in town.) The 2000 listings on ebay for SATA converters (some of which will be for connecting IDE disks to SATA motherboards, though) demonstrates how much market there is.


  6. I use a couple of old machines as file servers. My criteria for them are cheapness and reliability. Speed is pretty irrelevant, as new drives will saturate even gigabit ethernet anyhow. PATA drives are never as cheap as SATA drives, so, I grabbed a couple of 640GB WD Caviar Black at Newegg for $45 each a while ago. (... after the Micro$oft Bing cashback.)

    Then, the question was what converter to use. USB enclosures waste space and power and are generally a pain, and one of the machines doesn't even have USB. Similarly, one only has 2 PCI slots, so I don't want to waste one on another HDD controller. SATA/PATA converters are very cheap, but I couldn't find a single review of them anywhere! So, so I thought I'd try some. Here are my results so far. Each cost me about $2 on ebay:

    A. Bi-directional converter. Marked FZX5003. Black. Square. Plugs into motherboard.

    Appalling. Has one SATA connector for each direction, so wastes a whole IDE channel for one drive. Then the drive goes down to non-UDMA mode. While I said speed was pretty irrelevant, reducing drives to 1/20 their usual speed while increasing CPU use is just useless.

    B. Marked HXSP-071218. Green. Plugs into HDD.

    Flaky. Can work on some VIA IDE chipsets. Hangs whole PC at random when connected to Promise IDE chipsets. Is sometimes detected on boot, or not. Makes drive Master even if it's on the slave position on cable.

    C. Based on Marvell 88SA8040. Red. Plugs into HDD.

    Nice! Runs perfectly and gets 80MB/s sustained throughput. Master/Slave is jumpered, but it works. Only oddity is that it causes the controller (Promise Ulta100/TX2) to indicate disk activity permanently. There's one here, but I paid much less.

    As a number of the commonly available converters are crap, I'd be interested in information on any others. ... Even better if this site would be a comprehensive review of them!


  7. I like your stubborn ways ;)

    But what I'm saying is the area on the left shouldn't be there and we can't replicate the issue with any modern browser.

    Compared to my other browser, Mozilla (you know, before they renamed it Seamonkey), this is modern. :)

    It's also easily fixed. If the table statement is changed from '<table width="100%">' to '<table width="100%" align=left>', it works fine.


  8. In some cases we'll be able to get to the internal drive, in some cases we won't. In any case it does void the warranty, so we'll have to see what the manufacturers will let us get away with.

    Those external drives that SMART works on can just be interrogated through software. Those that don't pass SMART commands through the interface are probably better off not being purchased anyhow. :)

    Hopefully, the manufacturers would just tell you. I guess maybe not, if they're throwing their oldest and cheapest drives into the external enclosures?


  9. We'll look into DST now. What kittle is talking about is the blank space to the right. What you're talking about is bad formatting, pushing it all to the left.

    I was talking about both -- the big white space on the left as well as the big white space on the right. Getting rid of both would be best, but either one would be a good start.

    Anyhow, there is little reason to be forcing users to upgrade browsers regularly for something as simple as forum software. When millions of web pages work perfectly under Firefox 2 and yours doesn't, well, I have to ask why not just do things the way that works for everyone else?


  10. Also -- please move the sign-in / signout / user control panel on the top right someplace else. For me it creates this large blank space on the right side that should be filled up with the forums related stuff.

    As others are reporting these problems, Brian, it seems unlikely that upgrading my browser is going to fix it. (And, to be honest, if you're doing things that don't work under Firefox 2, you are probably doing things which are on the verges of non-standard and non-portable anyhow.)

    I'll mention DST not working again, just to put all the comments in the right place.


  11. Great to see the site back, especially the reliability database!

    Is there anything that can be done with this forum software? The display (I'm using Firefox 2) is a mess. The navigation strip (right now "Storage Forums > General > Site Suggestions & Help > Storage Review Site Update" has white space below it to the footer of the page, with the text section (headed "Replying to Storage Review Site Update") totally indented from that, and a single little box with my name, "Sign Out" and "Help" indented further past that. It would take about a 2000 pixel wide screen not to have to horizontal scroll!

    Also, DST doesn't do anything. As it's the middle of summer here, setting DST should work even if the board software doesn't have the exact start/end dates right.


  12. I look at the external HDD concept mostly the opposite way. I suspect that mostly failures are of the drive itself, and only a limited number of drives are shipped in external enclosures. I'd like to see a table of which actual HDD is in each model of "external drive", so that we can check the (probably much bigger) data sample for the actual drive used.


  13. You only have to look at the reliability survey on this site to see that the DiamondMax D740X, which happens to be the boot drive on my desktop machine, was about the last really reliable Maxtor drive. It was released in 2001.

    And the D740X was identical to Quantum's last dekstop drive, the Fireball AS, wasn't it?

    Not identical. The D740X was based on the AS, but much faster and (at least for the FDB motor version) much quieter.

    Especially after 8 years. I have a Fireball AS in another machine. Still working perfectly, but you can hear the hum across the room when it's on.


  14. The shame is that Maxtor really did go down hill. I still have a machine with a pair of 20 year old Maxtor drives, which are running more cylinders than spec and higher bit density than spec (RLL encoding). In the 80's, Maxtor were fantastic. You only have to look at the reliability survey on this site to see that the DiamondMax D740X, which happens to be the boot drive on my desktop machine, was about the last really reliable Maxtor drive. It was released in 2001.


  15. 7200.10 is similar to the Barracuda ES.

    And yeah, the slowdown of reviews here is a huge impediment to the usefulness of the database, but since the database isn't random sampling anyway it's not all that useful to start with.

    Thanks for the comment about the ES. I'd not read about that drive before.

    I disagree about the database, though. While the owners aren't a true random sample, all we care about is the sampling of drives. Maybe that's not random, but it should be good enough. If there are any trends (maybe users here treat their drives better than average, say?), that shouldn't unfairly benefit a particular brand or model. The database also seems to agree with reality. If you look up, say, the IBM 75GXP, renowned for being unreliable, it ranks in the 9th percentile.


  16. The DB only contains reviewed drives.

    What a way to wreck an otherwise excellent database.

    I've tried to enter my drives on it, and half of them are missing. The Seagate 7200.10 for example. Or a Seagate Momentus 5400.2. (Some of the family are in the database, but some aren't!)

    The database would be a superb resource, but the lack of so many drives just makes it a joke. Either there should be a way to enter every type of drive in it, or they should just blow it away and not bother.