Gooberslot

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    Samsung Spinpoint P80

    80gb platter means 40gig per side so a 120gb drive uses one whole platter and one side of another.
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    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9

    Are all the DM+9's out there now the 80gig version?
  3. This is an edited version of a post I made in the Aricle Feedback section. I didn't get any comments there so I thought I'd try here. Well I just got my replacement 120gig P80 back from Newegg and it passes the diagnostic tests but it has some differences compared to the first one. The most disturbing difference is that when it spins up it makes a high-pitched noise. It only lasts a second or two but it still worries me. Also, the previous drive had a pretty noticeable hum whereas this one doesn't. On the other hand, this one seems to have a whine. I have to shut my cpu fan off to hear it but it's there. It's possible the other one had the whine too and that I just couldn't hear it over the hum but I doubt it was as loud even if it did. Did I get another bad one? Should I be worried? Also, are there any programs that can force a drive to spin-down so I can compare the loudness?
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    Did I Get Another Bad Samsung?

    I put the cover back on my case and I could still hear it. So I took the drive out of the case and hooked it up to an old AT power supply to see what it sounded like without the case. It was about the same so the case must not have been blocking much noise. One thing I disovered was that the drive also makes a quiet shhh noise like a fan but of course that doesn't bother me. The whine however is very high-pitched and seems to cut through everything. It's not extremely loud, although I could hear it from at least 6 feet away when not in the case, but it's such a high-pitched noise that it makes it extra annoying. Have you ever turned on a TV and heard a high-pitched noise come from it? Well it's kinda like that. Also, I got a chance to hear the startup noise. If I'd heard it like that to begin with without all the other stuff in my computer distorting it I never would have worried about it since it's obviously just normal spin up noise.
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    Did I Get Another Bad Samsung?

    My SUT jumped up to 69. I think I got those real low spin up times(51-52) because I wasn't letting my drive spin down completely before powering back up. Now I wait 15-30 secs and everything seems to have stabilized and even improved. Whine's still there though and maybe slightly worse. I think I'd rather have had the vibration that arga has. I'd just like add that my WD has a T.E.C. of 9/7/2005, I wonder how high it'll go. I know it doesn't mean anything but it is amusing.
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    Did I Get Another Bad Samsung?

    So, how do my raw numbers look?
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    Did I Get Another Bad Samsung?

    Here's some screenshots of Speedfan showing the raw values. I have no idea what they mean. http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/anime5/rjak/samsung.png http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/anime5/rjak/wd.png
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    Did I Get Another Bad Samsung?

    I forgot to mention something. You asked how Spin Up Time related to the drives internals. I read somewhere that it corresponds to the health of the spindle. Low SUT means a spindle problem. The Spin Retry Count is even more serious. If that ever drops failure could be imminent. BTW, I hope you find a better store to buy from if they're shipping your drives without any protection.
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    Did I Get Another Bad Samsung?

    I though for the sake of comparison I'd post both my drives full SMART data. Here goes. Samsung SP1213N: Raw Read Error Rate 100 51 100 Spin Up Time 61 0 51 Start/Stop Count 100 0 100 Reallocated Sector Count 253 10 253 Seek Error Rate 253 51 253 Seek Time Performance 253 0 253 Power On Hours Count 100 0 100 Spin Retry Count 253 49 253 Power Cycle Count 100 0 100 Temperature 118 0 106 Hardware ECC recovered 100 0 100 Reallocation Event Count 253 0 253 Current Pending Sector Coun 253 10 253 Off-line Scan Uncorrectable 253 10 253 Ultra ATA CRC Error Count 100 51 100 Write Error Rate 100 51 100 TA Counter Detected 100 51 100 The Samsung seems to be stabilizing at 61-62. That seems to be about what you're getting so maybe that's normal for this drive. I still don't like it. Now here's my almost 4 year old WD 30gig: Raw Read Error Rate 200 51 200 Spin Up Time 102 0 92 Start/Stop Count 97 40 97 Reallocated Sector Count 200 112 200 Power On Hours Count 75 0 75 Spin Retry Count 100 51 100 Calibration Retry Count 100 51 100 Power Cycle Count 99 0 99 Reallocation Event Count 200 0 200 Current Pending Sector Coun 200 0 200 Off-line Scan Uncorrectable 200 0 200 Ultra ATA CRC Error Count 200 0 200 Write Error Rate 200 51 199 And people say WD's are unreliable. Those are some pretty good numbers. Especially for a drive with 18000+ hours on it. Notice that the Spin Up Time actually exceeds the maximum. I don't know if my really old WD even supports SMART but I'll hook it up and check. Should be interesting to see how a 6+ year old drive fares. I have a feeling it'll outlast everything else. I wish we could get someone else in this thread who knew more about SMART but it looks like everyone has abandoned us.
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    Did I Get Another Bad Samsung?

    I also noticed that all your drives have much higher values than mine. Especially my Worst which is 51.
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    Did I Get Another Bad Samsung?

    I actually didn't pay too much attention to the drive fitness thing but it's kinda worrying when you get a 15 point drop in Sping Up Time in a 24 hour period of time. Small fluctuations don't bother me.
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    Did I Get Another Bad Samsung?

    If I put my ear to the drive I can notice a hum but I don't think that counts. If there's a hum it must be below the level of even my power supply fan which is pretty quiet. As for vibration I can feel some but I can't tell if it's coming from the Samsung or my old WD. Someone in the Article Feecback forum implied this when I mentioned my variations between drives. But both mine came packed in styrofoam peanuts in addition to the plastic Samsung container. I thought modern drives were much more resistant to shock. I've run across a much more serious problem with mine though. I was playing around with Speedfan and I decided to take a look at the S.M.A.R.T. tab and noticed that the Spin Up Time was at 69 which seemed kinda low. It also said my Drive's Fitness was 69%. Anyway, next time I turned on my computer it had dropped to 62. I powered down and checked again and this time it had dropped to 52! Now it's back up to 62. This is especially worrying seeing as my old WD is at 103 with the worst at 92. I've emailed Samsung asking what it should be but I think I may have sent it to the wrong people, I chose Product Information when I probably should have chosen Service. I may have to send another email. If anyone's still reading this thread and has a SMART monitoring utility could you please check and tell me what yours is. If I have to wind up sending this back too I think I'll try a different vendor just in case it is shipping that's damaging them. I may even try a different brand. I've never had this much trouble with a hard drive. I have a drive from '97 that's still as good as the day I got it.
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    Did I Get Another Bad Samsung?

    That and the fact that it was different than the first. If you buy 2 products that are the same you'd kinda expect them to be the same. Or maybe I just live in a fantasy land where QC actually means something. Judging from my recent experiences with various products I'm guessing the second is true. arga, please report on how your replacement turns out. Maybe you'll get lucky and get one that doesn't hum at all like mine.
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    Did I Get Another Bad Samsung?

    Thanks arga, your information has been very helpful. Upon further testing I've discovered that the whine is louder than I originally thought. I can hear it from at least 18-24" away if my ear is pointing at it and the cpu fan is off(need quieter fan). I can't test any further because my head is against the wall at that point. It must be extremely high frequency because it's like a laser beam. It disappears when my ear is no longer pointing at it. In comparison my almost 5 year old 5400rpm WD 30gig is much louder and can be heard from anywhere in the room easily. I probably should also mention that my case cover is off. Maybe my expectations are too high. I was expecting nearly complete silence since that's what everyone seems to be saying they're like. How long have you had the drive? I know I'd be very concerned if I had an uncorrectable sector. The only drive I've ever had that got one was a crappy JTS 1gig. When I emailed Samsung about my previous drive's error it took them a week to respond and all I got was an email typed in ALL CAPS saying they needed more info and I should call them. Not exactly good customer service. Maybe when you previously emailed them you just happened to get the one good rep.
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    Did I Get Another Bad Samsung?

    I sent the first one back because it failed the Check M.C. test in Samsungs Hutil program. This one passes. Also, has anyone noticed that that Hutil program has an option for AAM? I wonder if it does anything.
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    Did I Get Another Bad Samsung?

    Yeah, the hum was low-pitched but quite noticeable the whine is high-pitched and only noticeable if I put my ear on the same level as the drive. What worries me is that the drives are different and I'm not sure which is the correct one. Judging from the review on this site I'd say SR got the hum one since it was louder.
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    Samsung Spinpoint P80

    I didn't think modern hard drives were that easy to damage by mishandling. It's certainly not the worst packaging I've seen or heard of. I'm not too happy with Newegg for a different reason though, they took a week to send my replacement. That's insane.
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    Samsung Spinpoint P80

    Well I just got my replacement 120gig P80 back from Newegg and it's definitely different than the first. The most disturbing difference is that when it spins up it makes a high-pitched noise. It only lasts a second or two but it still worries me. Also, the previous drive had a pretty noticeable hum whereas this one doesn't. On the other hand, this one seems to have a quiet whine. I have to shut my cpu fan off to hear it but it's there. It's possible the other one had the whine too but I couldn't hear it over the hum. I don't know if I got a lemon or not(advise welcome). If this review and thread had been around when I originally purchased it I don't think I would have. I just can't trust a company that has such wild variations in QC.
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    Computer Upgrade...worth It?

    I have a question. Why are you upgrading? Is there something your current computer can't do that you'd like to be able to? If your current motherboard can support it you might want to look into getting a Slot-T and a 1.3 or 1.4ghz Celeron. Total cost is about $60.
  20. The Hutil program provided by Samsung is reporting that the drive fails the "Check M.C." test and says the drive has a media error. I don't even know what the check m.c. test is. This is just great.
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    Problem With Brand New Samsung Drive

    Man I wish this forum had an edit button. Anyway, is it possible a partitioning program could have messed up the maintenance cylinder? Maybe by writing to it when it's not supposed to. I did use a Linux program called qtparted I'd never used before to partition the drive. Maybe it was a little too agressive or something. Is that possible?
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    Problem With Brand New Samsung Drive

    arinci, how did you get a response so fast? They still haven't responded to my email.
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    Problem With Brand New Samsung Drive

    I don't trust it either. I'm using it as a temp drive to download to right now and to play with different OS's. It seems to be working but until I find out what's going on I'm not sticking my valuable data on it.
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    Problem With Brand New Samsung Drive

    Here's a little more info, it has firmware revision TL100-24.
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    Problem With Brand New Samsung Drive

    I've emailed Samsung support and am waiting for an answer but I'm not holding my breath. Since when has tech support known anything. I did the full surface scan last night and it said no problems. I still wish I knew what Check M.C. meant. Media Controller maybe?