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  1. As if the Sata-3 market not was saturated enough. M.2 and NVMe is what most potential buyers looks at. Maybe a mSata ssd with included 2.5" adapeter could have made more sense. I already settled with Samsung PM830 128 and 256gb. Superb MLC SSDs which I prefer over the newer 850 Evo mSata.
  2. Now that Samsung still are struggling to get it right with their TLC Nand I think I better stay clear of the 840 Evo, 850 Evo mSata as well as they both uses same Nand unlike 850 Evo 2.5". I knew about the problem with TLC drives losing data after some months, though not how many months which it takes. About 4 months according to the link. Good to see that the 830 mSata 128gb which uses MLC not is too far behind the 840/850 Evo in performance. Approximately what I believed as the 840/850 is the smallest drives in their series unlike the 830 128gb mSata which is available in 32, 64, 128 and 256gb. So I think I better go for the 830 mSata 128 or 256gb then. Not quite the fastest option but as that doesn't matter for most of the time as it is going to be used with Pata-interface and it should be far less troublesome as it is a proven good product. Samsung needs to get it right with their next firmware before I can consider any of their TLC drives.
  3. Luckily Samsung finally released a firmware in november last year for the 840 Evo mSata as well, as previously the 2.5" Evo. As I assume that's the long-term performance issue you thought about? Surely the 830 is the oldest of these three but as i said, the 830 128gb mSata is the next biggest in the 830 mSata line. Meanwhile the 120gb 840/850 Evo mSata is the smallest in the 840 Evo mSata series and Samsung seems to have had less good performance with the two smallest sizes in a each series for some time. Shouldn't that mean that the 830 Evo mSata 128gb should be perform well compared to the 840/850 120 mSata ? After all the Samsung 830 series was top-notch when new and the predecessor to 840 Pro while the EVOs are real consumer drives, using TLC Nand. MLC for 830.
  4. I'm debating which one I should go for of these three. The reason I need to go with mSata is that I'll use one or two with mSata to IDE adapter in laptops with that old interface. I'm aware of that the TLC based 840/850 Evo may lose data if they stay powerless for too long which may cause problem. How serious is that issue? The laptops will probably not be used a whole lot. Is the MLC based 830 mSata also affected by this problem ? I would guess not but asking as I'm not quite sure. Having had a look at what these drives go for on Ebay I see that the small price difference is nothing to care about. I had a look at the 850 Evo msata review and see that it seems to use same Nand as 840 Evo msata and that there is not is a whole lot of difference in performance. I've noticed that 120gb is the smallest size for 840/850 Evo msata, while 128 gb for 830 msata is the next largest (the smallest is 32gb) in that series. Am I right or wrong if I speculate that the 830 msata 128gb might be on par or even ahead of the 840/850 Evo 120gb in R/W when connected to a Sata III controller? - since Samsung seems to have had "problem" with the two smallest drives out of four different sizes in the same series in the past. I've vague memories that the 830 2.5" 128gb not got very good verdicts for performance as it was the next smallest drive, while the 256gb was better. Unlike 830m sata series, the 2.5" went up to 512gb. http://samsung.com/us/business/oem-solutions/pdfs/PM830_DCE_Product%20Overview.pdf I don't know however this size/performance problem remained or not for Samsung with newer series like 840 and 850 Pro. I'm thinking of potentially use these drives in a some newer rig later on as well so that's why I thought about performance differences. With that said I'm still not very tempted use RAPID which 840/850 Evo offer but I'll be ok with the "real deal"
  5. Seems to me like it is TLC-nand 850 Evo instead of MLC 850 pro http://samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/portablessdt3/specifications.html At least that's what the sizes of 250 and 500gb suggests as 850 Pro not is available in these sizes but 256 and 512gb. Would have been harder to tell had these T3 drives only been able in 1 and 2tb, considering that Samsung not mention in the specs if it is TLC or MLC. Weird that the warranty is only three years compared to 5 years for 850 Evo and 10 years for 850 Pro. And I don't think it could be the 840 Evo or Pro because these ssds was not available in 2tb. Somewhat weird that it is only 3 years warranty for this Portable ssd considering that 850 evo have 5 years warranty and 10 years for 850 pro.
  6. To try and make a long story short. After having tried to find a suitable old quality ssd for my motherboard which only have sata 2 controllers, I finally settled with a 850 Pro 256gb anyway. It seems to me that my motherboard only have Pci Express version 1.1 which have no better than 250 Mb/s which is no better than the built-in Intel sata 2 controller, even with a sata 3.0 adapter card connected if I've got this right. There is two Pci-e slots in my Ga-Ep-35-ds3p motherboard which makes it possible to use two ATI Gpus in Crossfire. According to the bios boot options the board supports boot from Add In Cards. Not sure if that's only Pci express but also the faster pci-e slots. The official specifiacions for my motherboard http://gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=2742&dl=1#sp Either way I've way if there is some low cost card for Pci-e to Sata 3.0, 3.1 or 3.2 I would probably be prepared test if it works to boot from.
  7. Samsung 850 EVO SSD 2TB Review

    But isn't those reliability problems related only to the 840 Evo-range and 840 Basic ? 850 Evo uses newer Nand which not have this problem as far as I know. Still bad support/business tho by Samsung not releasing firmware update to the 840 Evo mSata and 840 Basic. And it seems to me like they'r getting away with it reasonably well unlike IBM with their "Deathstar" series of HDDs. Samsung should take better responsibility really. I don't know if anyone ever tried to file a Class-action Lawsuit against Samsung for this mess for the SSDs not receiving firmware updates. That's what some guy did against IBM so that they had react. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HGST_Deskstar#Lawsuit
  8. Ok. So with what I got to know by Brian in Pm after his reply this thread means that I'm still looking for alternatives. So if anyone else have some ssd which they want sell so let me know. Either in this thread or Pm.
  9. I'm still looking for one of the mentioned ssd drivers or some other good MLC or SLC ssd. The reason for the fallout regarding the PM830 seems to be the 256 bit encryption and that the U.S have some export ban for such drives which not includes Sweden as I've bought an enterprise in Sweden which have 256 bit AES hardware encryption. I've told Brian that in Pm, but still after about 2-3 days have got no reply at all. At least one might expect an answer. So I'm still looking for other options unless I can have the PM830 or buy some other Samsung ssd which have been used for testing or been in use. As it is an old computer with only Sata 2 I don't need or want the newest and plan to use the computer for 1-2 years to come. So buying a brand new which would be a little slow for a new computer now would be a waste. Because obviously M.2 interface is the way to go with new computers. Something which my old Intel 775 motherboard not supports.
  10. I'm looking for a used 2.5" or mSata Samsung 830 or 840 Pro. 256 or 512gb of these. May consider a 850 Pro if the price is right. I'm not interested in the "usual" 840 or 840 Evo due to the problems which those have. Other quality ssd units which are equal to 830 or 840 Pro in terms of reliability and performance might be of interest as well. Only MLC and SLC are of interest.
  11. Too bad that Samsung sold their Hdd division. They may have been able to get it right with a decent SSD chip and at least a reliable hdd.
  12. This SSD/HDD should have been named WD Blue2, not Black2 considering what drive it in fact in based on and the filthy SSD unit. Wasn't hard at all to guess that the SSD performance not would be very good considering that most 128mb SSDs usually performs less well compared to their 250 or 256mb "relatives" from same manufacturer. As said by jtsn, this SSD/HDD is a joke, a very filthy such. May I ask if it is known what manufacturer is behind these two 64gb SSD chips?
  13. I had a look at the better 2TB drivers not very long ago. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1773467 I was looking for a fast and reliable drive to use for the OS et. In the end I went for the ST2000NM0053 which is an enterprise drive with 3 platter and 5 year warranty. Not quite as fast as the 2TB Barracuda but not too far behind either and the reliability should be better. This ST2000NM0053 is maybe not the best option if you want a quiet drive. It is in fact slightly more loud than my old Velociraptor WD3000GLFS which I now use to backup important files. One downside with the Seagate drives as far as I know is that it is not possible change AAM/APM. Silent pc review forum could be a good place to have a look at if you want a quiet drive. But these are usually not fast. http://silentpcreview.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=7
  14. 2.5" vs 3.5" reliability

    2.5" should be more reliable as these are designed to be used in laptops. Problem with heat is also less of a problem even with my former Hitachi Travelstar 7k100 IDE, which as the model name tell is a 7200 rpm drive. Had that drive mounted in a slimmed noname magnesium or aluminium cabinet for quite some time before I let it replace an other drive in an older laptop. Even modern 2.5" 7200 rpm drives however like the 1tb Travelstar 7k1000 seems to lag behind the better 3.5" 2tb drives which I've had a look at not long ago. http://storagereview.com/hgst_travelstar_7k1000_review If you are interested in 3.5" then there is at least two writeup which might be of interest. 2TB http://reybasti.hubpages.com/hub/Top-5-Best-2TB-Hard-Drive-For-2013 Worth to mention which he not did is that the 2TB Barracuda only have one year warranty. And the 3TB http://reybasti.hubpages.com/hub/Best-3TB-Hard-Drive-for-2013
  15. If the Hitachi Travelstar drives still hold up as well as these did some years ago than that could be one way to go. I've some experience with these drives and have not found much to complain about. My first was a 40gb 4200rpm with 2mb buffer (forgotten the model number). A good and reliable drive despite a lot of use in at least 6 days in every week. I finally upgraded because I needed more storage but also because I wanted a faster drive. I went for the Travelstar 7k100 with Ide interface, which my laptop had. I also had a look at Seagate, I think it was, and their equivalent 2.5" Momentus 100gb, 7200rpm with 8mb cache but the Hitachi had better read/write performance according to tests if my memory serves me correct, so I went for the Hitachi. My Hitachi 7k100 is still doing a good job after having seen daily use in first an other laptop which I used every day. It is now sitting in an old laptop which run a gameBot 24/7 and the drive never seems to spin down as it makes a slight ticking noise sometimes. Still working well. I've another Hitachi 7k100 though with Sata interface in an other Core 2 Duo based laptop. Probably the stock drive I would assume as I'm the second owner of that laptop. I'm not using that laptop much but it works whenever I want to use it. My experience with these older Hitachis is that the general performance was good for the time being and reliability as well. Edit: Oops. I now see that you are looking for a 3.5" drive. I was thinking about 2.5" as you mentioned the Macbook.