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#1 Brian

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:01 AM

The WD Red 3.5-inch hard drives are now shipping in 1TB to 6TB capacities, while the new WD Red Pro 3.5-inch hard drives are available in 2TB to 4TB capacities.  WD Red Pro and Expanded Capacities of WD Red HDDs Released

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#2 Mkruer

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:19 AM

Its about time. So I guess the next question is ,when are you getting some to test? Also is the 5TB cheaper ten the 4TB Pro When it looks like the specs for the 5TB are better?

Edit: So it looks like the 5 and 6TB drives have spindle speed < 7200RPM, which is OK I guess considering that the density of the 5 and 6TB drives are 50% more then the Pro Counterparts, It also looks like there is some firmware secret sauce to support double the number of drives in RAID.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:33 AM

Our review will be posting soon. Got a larger group in and testing them against other NAS drives in RAID.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 11:04 AM

Should have both reviews up this week. 8x Pro in an 1813+ and 5x 6TB regular in a 1513+.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 11:32 AM

How is WD differentiating their products now with their WD FYYS Re drives vs the Red Pro? Both are 4TB drives with anti-vibration, etc.. actually, that and the Se cloud drives? It seems that we have three models that are basically the same.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 11:50 AM

Pro look like retouched Blacks with fancy software.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 01:58 PM

How is WD differentiating their products now with their WD FYYS Re drives vs the Red Pro? Both are 4TB drives with anti-vibration, etc.. actually, that and the Se cloud drives? It seems that we have three models that are basically the same.

 

It's mostly software and cost. 


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 04:29 PM

How do you think this will impact the pricing of the 3 and 4TB Red drives?


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 12:51 AM

Add me to the list of people confused about the difference between the Red Pro and Se drives.  Features and pricing seems identical unless I'm missing something.  I think WD has some 'splaining to do.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 06:37 AM

We have a review of the Pro coming, 8 of them and they'll be compared to the Se, so hold tight for that. The regular model review has been delayed due to a manufacturing issue that's causing the early review samples to be invalid. 


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#11 Mkruer

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:46 AM

We have a review of the Pro coming, 8 of them and they'll be compared to the Se, so hold tight for that. The regular model review has been delayed due to a manufacturing issue that's causing the early review samples to be invalid. 

 

I see other sites have already done reviews, I wonder if the drives they got also experienced the same issue and maybe their reviews should have been invalidated? So far the performance has been meh. If anyone is looking at sustained 200MB/Sec it looks like they will have to wait for the 6TB Back. Still I am glad there is traction on size front. If its true that Seagate will start shipping 8TB hard drives and 10TB and HAMR then I think there should be a lot of movement on the traditional HDD front very shortly.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 04:37 PM

Yes, every current review of the new drives is invalid. 


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:49 PM

Yes, every current review of the new drives is invalid. 

That's why I come here :P


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 01:54 PM

Hopefully now cost/TB of 2-4TB drives will come down! Since late 2011/early 2012 we've had 4TB drives. So almost 3 years later and we have 6TB drives. It's kind of amazing the time period of no change.

 

Anybody know if 1.2TB/platter is with SMR or is it just PMR?


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:59 PM

Hopefully now cost/TB of 2-4TB drives will come down! Since late 2011/early 2012 we've had 4TB drives. So almost 3 years later and we have 6TB drives. It's kind of amazing the time period of no change.

 

Anybody know if 1.2TB/platter is with SMR or is it just PMR?

PMR. You don't really want SMR in your drive. Performance takes a dip, especially anything random. Maybe fine for archiving but that's it. 


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 06:39 PM

Something I noticed on the WD website was the "what it holds" seems to be updated

 

http://www.wdc.com/g...at_it_Holds.jpg

 

notice the 8TB, I dont think this means a 8TB Green/Red drive any time soon, but I would not be surprised if we start seeing 8TB Helium Filled Drives soon


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 08:16 AM

PMR. You don't really want SMR in your drive. Performance takes a dip, especially anything random. Maybe fine for archiving but that's it. 

 

That's not entirely true...it's true with Seagate's current implementation of SMR but others are taking a different path. You won't see product until next year probably but there are nearly 10 ways to do SMR and each method has different performance outcomes.


Something I noticed on the WD website was the "what it holds" seems to be updated

 

http://www.wdc.com/g...at_it_Holds.jpg

 

notice the 8TB, I dont think this means a 8TB Green/Red drive any time soon, but I would not be surprised if we start seeing 8TB Helium Filled Drives soon

 

WD is not investing in sealed drives as far as I can tell. Their larger cap drives will be SMR. 


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 11:24 AM

That's weird, I thought WD bought HGST. So what are the chances of WD sharing the 1.2TB per platter tech with HGST and their sealed drives?

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 12:15 PM

WD owns HGST but they're separate companies thanks to China. The two will not come together for a long time still, if ever. As a result, technology cannot easily be shared between the two. 


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:11 PM

Add me to the list of people confused about the difference between the Red Pro and Se drives.  Features and pricing seems identical unless I'm missing something.  I think WD has some 'splaining to do.

 

If it's "just" the firmware I really think the performace tuning should be a user-setting, with presets "NAS" etc. Or even better yet: the drive should detect the kind of accesses demanded and adapt to it. Maybe with a user setting for maximum performance or power saving (which would pretty much be the already available acoustic mode setting).

 

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:38 PM

I think that buyers didn't really understand the segmentation between the WD colors and the WD elements. My guess is that Red Pro is simply an easier sell for larger NAS systems than Se.


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#22 JJ Johnson

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:57 PM

The Red Pro drives, as I understand it, use just 800 GB platters. Which is interesting, when you consider what it implies about the confidence that WD must have in its 1 TB and 1.2 TB platters. Especially given how long the 1 TB platters have been in production and how many drives use them.

 

Are these the first 1.2 TB per platter drives on the market after the HGST?


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 02:04 PM

I don't know if it's confidence as much as knowing what they have from a reliability standpoint and meeting customer demand. WD is also typical a fast follower, rarely are they on the leading edge. 

 

HGST is using a 7-platter design in their helium. 


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#24 [ETA]MrSpadge

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 05:49 AM

Yes, these are the first drives with 1.2 TB platters. Although the Samsung 2.5" 2 TB with 3 666 GB platters should exceed this density slightly.

 

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:53 PM

I also see a number of 5TB drives now coming onto the market. Seagate's specs for their 5TB Desktop HDD shows that it has 4 platters and 8 heads, which would mean 1.25TB platters.

 

Desktop HDD Data Sheet (PDF)


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