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#1 Brian

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 07:39 PM

In mid-August Samsung announced their SSD 830, the updated follow-up to the 470 SSD. Samsung's 470 and now 830 SSDs are becoming a bit of a rarity; both SSDs are built entirely in house with Samsung components. The Samsung 830 features a 3-core MCX controller, 2x nm Toggle MLC NAND, 256MB SDRAM cache and firmware, all made by Samsung. Heck, at this point we wouldn't be surprised if Samsung owned a bauxite mine in Australia to harvest the raw materials needed for the aluminum case. Whatever the case, the new SATA 6Gb/s drive delivers sequential reads of 520 MB/s, writes of 400 MB/s and 4K random read IOPS of 80,000.

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#2 LesT

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 08:02 AM

Nice review... You obviously had better luck undoing the clips than I did!

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#3 MRFS

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:29 AM

Thanks, Brian! I was truly looking forward to a review of this new SSD.

FYI: we've tried out several 4-in-1 enclosures for 5.25" drive bays.
Our favorite so far is the Enhance Technology X14, although the dual-porting
(8 x SATA/SAS connectors) is not really necessary for our needs here:

http://www.enhance-t...idrive/x14.html

Other, less expensive 4-in-1 enclosures have only 4 such connectors
e.g. Icy Dock, Thermaltake, Addonics:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817994095
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817998143
http://www.addonics....m/AESN4DA25.asp


What I'd really like to see is a comprehensive review of a modest PC
that controls at least 4 x Samsung 830 SSDs using a budget RAID controller
like the Highpoint RocketRAID 2720SGL:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16816115100

Or, if the motherboard's chipset supports 5+ x SATA devices @ 6G,
then this modest PC can be built withOUT an add-on RAID controller
e.g. AMD's 990FX chipset:

http://www.newegg.co...ipset&x=19&y=35

The review could evaluate several different RAID levels e.g. 0, 1, 10, etc.
and also discuss issues that come up often with SSDs e.g. TRIM, garbage collection
and so on.

Another reason why this experiment interests me is the WRITE endurance
of Samsung 830 SSDs: if 2 x SSDs in RAID 0 effectively double WRITE endurance,
then 4 x SSDs in RAID 0 should effective quadruple WRITE endurance.

This is arguably a good hypothesis that we would like to see tested.

FYI: we had no trouble installing Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit version
on an ASRock G41M-S3 motherboard ~$50 USD, with the Highpoint RocketRAID 2720SGL
installed in the x16 slot.

Yes, this is obviously a "budget" motherboard, but that was the primary objective
of this configuration: it supports a large number of Intel LGA-775 CPUs,
which are cheap now e.g. used and refurbished:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116391


Similarly, we'd like to see if a solid-state system can be practical and
also cost-effective at current market rates: mass storage can be hosted with
an eSATA or USB rotating HDD that is switched ON only as needed for backups.


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#4 Brian

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 12:26 PM

We just have the single drive now but will endeavor to get 2 more and a few other capacities as well, since the lower caps won't perform as well.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 01:22 PM

Yes! I also think that a good article could be had
by assembling a MOSTLY FANLESS system that utilizes a number of
6G SSDs in some RAID level for the OS and day-to-day production tasks,
and lots of DDR3 e.g. 4 x 4GB with a generous ramdisk
for the most frequently used files, like browser caches:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820233190
(only $90 USD!! What's not to like with such low prices? :)

THE MAIN IDEA IS FEW, IF ANY, MOVING PARTS.

There are fanless PSUs available now, and the latest
Intel CPUs are much more energy efficient than prior versions.

For myself, I'm fascinated with the concept of totally
or almost totally solid-state systems -- ALL COMPONENTS!

Yes, maybe a few quiet fans will be needed, e.g. to assist
the "stack effect". But, a minimal amount of fans
should also result in very quiet systems.


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Posted 24 September 2011 - 06:11 PM

As long as you do it without a dedicated RAID card...you should be able to get pretty damn quiet. Whenever we're using our LSI cards though, we always add a dedicated fan just for them...you could bake bread in the case when they're under load.

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#7 MRFS

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 06:27 PM

That's very interesting: I added a slot fan right next to the RocketRAID 2720SGL,
and the exhaust is noticeably warmer than the exhaust being emitted by the
other fans in our chassis.

The intake is right next to the 2720SGL's heatsink, so I have to infer that
it's the controller that is generating all that heat.


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#8 Telstar The Sorcerer

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 07:21 AM

This fall I plan to get a second SSD to store my precious documents, family pictures and work files (+ a game or two if it doesnt comfly fit on the OS ssd -a 128gb m4).
I'm not sure which parameters are more important for such use, besides reliability.
I can guess usage will be 80%+ random read, so something between the gaming and the productivity setup in this review (scroll down):
http://www.storagere...30_review_256gb

ATM, I'm debating between another crucial m4, or the new samsung 830.
Pricing in EU should be about the same for the 256GB size.
The lower latency of the samsung probably makes it a winner.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:07 PM

I don't think either is a bad choice...price being equal...man that's a tough one. I'd probably lean toward the m4 since it's been in the market longer, has a revised firmware, etc. The 830 may be perfect, the 470 was very good with compatibility, but until a few tens of thousands get into production use, it's hard to be certain.

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#10 mike2h

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 02:31 PM

consider one of the 470 models.more than adequate performance for storage needs. proven reliabilty & mature firmware & should be some great sales on them as the 830 rolls out.

lol sry brian missed your post(not sure how tho)

Edited by mike2h, 27 September 2011 - 12:14 AM.

#11 Telstar The Sorcerer

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 02:52 PM

If I find the 470 much cheaper, then yes, it would be a good deal. But I have an unused sata3 port for it and for the occasional game >200mb sequential read matters.
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#12 mike2h

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 12:18 AM

thought the 470 series met or exceeded that?

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 06:51 AM

PM830 review here:
http://www.ocaholic....emid=595&page=0

Different firmware? Or is linux fs (dunno which was used) so much better than ntfs?
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| Crucial M4 128GB | Several 2TB drives | Lian-Li T60 & Corsair 800D (under modding with custom sleeving and lightning) |
| Corsair AX850 | Samsung 2693HM 25,5" LCD | Cantatis Overture | Sennheiser HD595 |

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:25 PM

Hi guys, any idea on how these drives handle power loss? Is there any super-capacitor like with the Intel 320? With 256MB of DRAM onboard I would think it's highly important.



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