[cypherpunks]

continuum, on Sep 30 2007, 11:08 PM, said:

A Samsung F1 review would require the drive actually existing in channels.

As Samsung Spinpoint F1 drives are now trickling into the channel, is there an ETA on when we will see a review?

[bensen]

@stox
i can't understand the problem
if they write 5400-7200 or 5400 to 7200 they don't say that the spindlespeed is variable!
the speed is between 5400 and 7200, but fixed

everything else comes from the fantasies of some people

[StoX]

bensen, on Nov 19 2007, 12:48 PM, said:

@stox
i can't understand the problem
if they write 5400-7200 or 5400 to 7200 they don't say that the spindlespeed is variable!
the speed is between 5400 and 7200, but fixed

everything else comes from the fantasies of some people

Nope!

SATA Hard Drives
1 TB, SATA 3 Gb/s
WD Caviar GP

Their web page on 7th August 2007:
Performance Specifications
Rotational Speed
IntelliPower (5400 to 7200 RPM)

Ther web page on 26th October 2007:
Performance Specifications
Rotational Speed
IntelliPower *
* A fine-tuned balance of spin speed, transfer rate and cache size designed to deliver both significant power savings and solid performance. For each GreenPower drive model, WD uses a different, invariable RPM.

Thus the former specification is misleading at best. In fact, the current one is also false. It should say: 5400 rpm.

Class action suit?

This post has been edited by StoX: 19 November 2007 - 01:02 PM

[datestardi]

StoX, on Nov 19 2007, 01:01 PM, said:

Class action suit?

Be careful what you wish for, StoX.

Here's what the WDC page say now:

"IntelliPower™ - A fine-tuned balance of spin speed, transfer rate, and caching algorithms designed to deliver both significant power savings and solid performance. For each GreenPower drive model, WD may use a different, invariable RPM."

[StoX]

datestardi, on Nov 20 2007, 08:30 AM, said:

StoX, on Nov 19 2007, 01:01 PM, said:

Class action suit?

Be careful what you wish for, StoX.

Here's what the WDC page say now:

"IntelliPower™ - A fine-tuned balance of spin speed, transfer rate, and caching algorithms designed to deliver both significant power savings and solid performance. For each GreenPower drive model, WD may use a different, invariable RPM."

Did you read my previous message. It is all there

The fact is that they tried to cheat us all. For me that is enough to never ever buy nor recommnd such company.

Even now they keep on talking about the silly IntelliPower which is nothing beyond a marketing hype. They still not indicate that all those drives are 5400 all the time. Pathetic!

This post has been edited by StoX: 20 November 2007 - 09:27 AM

[datestardi]

StoX, on Nov 20 2007, 09:24 AM, said:

Did you read my previous message. It is all there

No it's not - reread the WDC page.

Quote

The fact is that they tried to cheat us all. For me that is enough to never ever buy nor recommnd such company.

Even now they keep on talking about the silly IntelliPower which is nothing beyond a marketing hype. They still not indicate that all those drives are 5400 all the time. Pathetic!

Perhaps you won't buy a Samsung F1 either, since they advertised a maximum transfer rate of 175 MB/s?

http://www.stephenz....1_datasheet.pdf

[StoX]

Transfer rates depend on a lot of parameters, have peaks, etc, etc. On the contray, here we are talking about a CONSTANT 5400 rpm that they tried to cheat us and believe it was 5400 sometims and other times 7200, and even now they do not indicate as 5400 but as a stupid "intellipower" is is all but a word! THESE DRIVES RUN ALWAYS AT 5400. There is no excuse other than cheating to try to hide it or to try to say between 5400 and 7200 as they said (as copy shows my messages above from their web page captured on August 2007).

Cheat me once, blame on you. Cheat me twice, blame on me! Never ever WD again!!!

[datestardi]

StoX, on Nov 20 2007, 11:31 AM, said:

Cheat me once, blame on you. Cheat me twice, blame on me! Never ever WD again!!!

StoX, everything you've ever said either here or at SPCR has been Samsung, Samsung, Samsung! I highly doubt you bought a WD GreenPower drive or were ever "cheated" by WD - but thank you for the "show" and thank you for posting the maximum transfer rate graph of the HD103UJ... soon we'll see the transfer rate graphs of the HD753LJ, and you'll have even more reason to feel cheated by Samsung (but you'll get over that too, I'm sure). P.S. In a sense you may not understand, the media-to-buffer transfer rate can be larger than the "maximum transfer rate" (just like a 140 hP engine can produce 180 hP if you measure the power output at the piston rings), but specifying such inflated figures is no less misleading to the average consumer than WD's intellipower specs might be misleading to you. Both are or can be true in a literal sense. Go easy on WD - intellipower isn't just spindle speed... also controls transfer rates and caching which regular 5400 rpm drives apparently don't do.

[bensen]

am i too stupid to understand the english language?
i can't see any information that the spindle is variable

and from which measurement do you know that it are 5400 rpm?
samsungs v120 for example had a speed of 5760rpm

@datestardi
why feeling cheated?
3 250gb platters in the 750gb model?

[datestardi]

bensen, on Nov 20 2007, 03:04 PM, said:

@datestardi
why feeling cheated?
3 250gb platters in the 750gb model?

I'm not feeling cheated - that's StoX. The transfer rate will tell us if the 3x250GB platters theory is correct - perhaps that will be easier for Samsung to produce than short-stroking or derating 334GB platters.