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#1 imsabbel

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Posted 03 June 2007 - 04:01 PM

Well, seems in the rather exhaustive geizhals price-comparison index, the first companies started listing a 1TB Samsung drive.

The number is HD102UJ, the name being F1.

It is listed as not on stock (obviously), but by rather reputable webshops.

Anybody heard anything about an upcoming announcement on the side of samsung?

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Posted 05 June 2007 - 09:08 AM

The same source lists the price for that 1TB Samsung drive as low as 233 Euro!

Seems like Samsung does it again - the great price war...

#3 bitequator

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 03:07 AM

Wow that would be $315!

Any specs known yet?

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 03:30 AM

Any specs known yet?

Not all-official information but gathered from here and there:

F1 series:
HD102UJ = 1.0TB = 4x250 platters, 16MB cache, SATA300
HD752LJ = 750GB = 3x250 platters, 16MB cache, SATA300
S250 series, already listed on Samsungs's website:
HD250HJ = 250GB = 1x250 platter, 8MB cache, SATA300
HD200HJ = 200GB = 1x250 platter, 8MB cache, SATA300

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 09:32 AM

Samsung manager said,"samsung 1tb hdd use 333gb/platter".

1tb=3X333gb

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 11:45 AM

Samsung manager said,"samsung 1tb hdd use 333gb/platter".

1tb=3X333gb

Wow, now that's a bomb news!

At the first look this sounds like unbelievable but yes really this is possible... May-be really it was easier for Samsung to make a 3-platter drive on super-density platters than 4-platter drive on a bit less dense platters!

But interesting question how can they make the 750GB model of these 333GB platters then? The model code is HD752LJ where the "L" stands for 6 heads (like HD501LJ 500GB model). May-be 750GB model is still on 3x250GB platters (or may-be 3x333GB short-stroked)? However this 1TB drive has really unusual model code HD102UJ where "U" is not defined at all.

And now if I remember correctly from the not-so-long-ago press release about their newest 2.5" drives they talked about 160GB on 1-platter there (note - for 2.5" drives!). I just thought then it was some kind of mistake in text there... But now this sounds very true...

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 12:17 PM

Question is, how long do these remain vaporware...

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 02:37 PM

"But interesting question how can they make the 750GB model of these 333GB platters then?"

I want a 666GB drive! :D

Edited by whiic, 08 June 2007 - 02:37 PM.

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 06:09 PM

Question is, how long do these remain vaporware...

Not long I think so... As they are already listed in open databases of distributors and retailers (with real prices and details) this means they are coming in week or two (or may-be sometimes more later).
http://www.heise.de/...UJ_a260325.html

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 06:18 PM

BTW, just found... there's also 32MB cache versions HD103UJ and HD753LJ
http://www.heise.de/...ch/a260889.html
http://www.heise.de/...ch/a260888.html

Edited by 888, 08 June 2007 - 06:20 PM.

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 08:00 PM

Question is, how long do these remain vaporware...

A German shop, cyberport.de, indicates for the HD103UJ "Presumably available starting from 14.06.2007" and gives a price of 259,90 Euro:

http://translate.goo...e...&as_qdr=all

(In Firefox, the link returns to a T166 page after about 10 seconds of showing the details/specs.)

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 08:41 PM

Wow, if it's that soon... that could make a very interesting 3-way competition between Seagate, Hitachi, and Samsung. Competition is definitely a good thing!

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 10:46 PM

coming soon :rolleyes:

http://www.heise.de/...0...p;x=40&y=13

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Posted 09 June 2007 - 12:05 AM

so fast, 250 per platter???

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Posted 09 June 2007 - 03:16 AM

How is that all these links found with Google are German shops?
Since when new hardware are not launched first in Japan or the US?

Smells like hoax.

#16 datestardi

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Posted 09 June 2007 - 04:49 AM

How is that all these links found with Google are German shops?
Since when new hardware are not launched first in Japan or the US?

Smells like hoax.

Well, if it's a hoax, I guess we'll all know soon enough....

I'm reminded of the MP1 and M5 press releases that said those drives would be available in May:

http://forums.storag...showtopic=25195

Any news on those drives' true availability?

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Posted 09 June 2007 - 01:40 PM

At the first look this sounds like unbelievable but yes really this is possible... May-be really it was easier for Samsung to make a 3-platter drive on super-density platters than 4-platter drive on a bit less dense platters!

Considering high vibration of current models maybe four platter design would have vibrated so much that it would have broken itself. :P

But interesting question how can they make the 750GB model of these 333GB platters then?...
May-be 750GB model is still on 3x250GB platters (or may-be 3x333GB short-stroked)?

Some STR curves of second largest T133 and T166 serie drives I've seen suggest that they use smaller data density (or then 5400rpm) than largest drives of serie.

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Posted 10 June 2007 - 06:29 AM

I'm not sure if I'm going to take the word of that nameless manager of Samsung that these drives are 3-platter. First, it'd be quite a jump, much bigger than to expect from Samsung, or from any manufacturer for that matter. Second, that model number HD10xUJ differs from HD75xLJ in number of heads. "L" is the same as with biggest variants of T133 and T166 series: 6 heads (3 platters).

My guess would be that it is 4-platter drive. Only time will tell... someone has to pop open one to see it for sure. And I don't think that's going to happen for a while.
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Posted 10 June 2007 - 12:18 PM

I'm not sure if I'm going to take the word of that nameless manager of Samsung that these drives are 3-platter. First, it'd be quite a jump, much bigger than to expect from Samsung, or from any manufacturer for that matter. Second, that model number HD10xUJ differs from HD75xLJ in number of heads. "L" is the same as with biggest variants of T133 and T166 series: 6 heads (3 platters).

My guess would be that it is 4-platter drive. Only time will tell... someone has to pop open one to see it for sure. And I don't think that's going to happen for a while.

His name is Kim Dongwook(Korean).

My news comes form a chinese webside(there are many photo).

#20 datestardi

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Posted 10 June 2007 - 03:35 PM

My news comes form a chinese webside(there are many photo).

Here's the translation:

http://translate.goo...Flanguage_tools

Did I miss something about platter density??

For 3.5" disks:

"Meanwhile Kim Yu also announced that Samsung will launch in the second half of a TB products."

For 2.5" disks:

"In this regard the first three weeks due to the development and production of 160 GB of disc products, Therefore than competing companies will have more advantages."

#21 datestardi

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Posted 10 June 2007 - 03:42 PM

[Did I miss something about platter density??

Yes. Sure did (the caption under the last photo):

"Mr. Kim Yu disclosed, Samsung will in June or July launched by second generation perpendicular magnetic recording (PMR) technology in a TB hard disk, only need three disks, disc capacity of 333 GB"

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 02:39 AM

My guess would be that it is 4-platter drive. Only time will tell... someone has to pop open one to see it for sure. And I don't think that's going to happen for a while.

Let's check this ;)

#23 imsabbel

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 04:45 AM

My guess would be that it is 4-platter drive. Only time will tell... someone has to pop open one to see it for sure. And I don't think that's going to happen for a while.

Let's check this ;)

Wow.

That really looks nice.
And btw, the price of those drives should be even lower than the $300 something noted above, as the 220€ already include 19% VAT.

If they bring out those drives the next 2-3 months, they will surely shake-up the HD market quite a bit.

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 06:48 AM

My guess would be that it is 4-platter drive. Only time will tell... someone has to pop open one to see it for sure. And I don't think that's going to happen for a while.

Let's check this ;)

I also like that 1-platter 320GB drive listed there!
Yet nobody thought this item to appear this year but now it's there... And it's just starting to appear on web here and there along with the new 500GB item. Probably coming on market a bit later than 1TB model but still pretty soon. These will be also very cheap, the cheapest 500GB and 320GB drives...

PS! Some signs are indicating Samsung's working on 320GB 2-platter 2.5" mobile-drive too.

#25 datestardi

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 06:21 AM

Question is, how long do these remain vaporware...

A German shop, cyberport.de, indicates for the HD103UJ "Presumably available starting from 14.06.2007" and gives a price of 259,90 Euro:

http://translate.goo...e...&as_qdr=all

(In Firefox, the link returns to a T166 page after about 10 seconds of showing the details/specs.)

Now the same link for the HD103UJ says "Presumably available starting from 26.07.2007" and gives a price of 289,90 Euro....

Any news from distributors' databases?



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